From lojban+bncCMPA7-ejFhCNwL3lBBoE0ofSCg@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 11:17:00 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4HV3-00015s-Ht; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:17:00 -0700 Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10sf326032qyk.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dOz0eHRMMCqsX4DUklrMIgeKNWeESO/IFng4oUhQ9fw=; b=GUvCol5jlrogFLMqHKj6vPK62h2NKid1S0kHxW5GPHJJZuCqpWhyP6KxhSNS6lCEhc cW0Gf08lkStvvkbfulccSMCTYKPT71yt/BG1CtxMA9UBdvngzktJjwBFFlc+YG3wlXAZ IJtzOE0AswAKu8qZ8HzTtBFOCPfFa3eOUpVis= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=SURpOOqucYvf8pFFJJT4f8TJ0VmDmEf5fSkxXzwmANkvUKmr3vAitFFj0dE/WU7ofC P3nZoN6cUuQRQDlhxooGqro3YEn1boszbwCJLpZlVD10pqxKxXEMBl/erMiq/WoYfoun 7SAVAxErwm8zEuM7SNFKcZq7Ik8vks7VkICkI= Received: by 10.224.217.197 with SMTP id hn5mr64415qab.33.1286561805369; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.58.228 with SMTP id i36ls251145qah.4.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.201.137 with SMTP id fa9mr523241qab.19.1286561804676; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.201.137 with SMTP id fa9mr523240qab.19.1286561804615; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m5si1493756qcu.0.2010.10.08.11.16.43; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.44; Received: by mail-qw0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 9so533628qwc.17 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:16:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.17 with SMTP id r17mr2280816qco.187.1286561803094; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.30.195 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:16:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] You're Doing it Wrong From: Brian Shannon To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@googlemail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm very new here so take what I say with a pinch of salt. I've been trying to learn lojban for a short while now and have encountered these difficulties too. One of the most frustrating things for me is that while many learning resources have been created, (almost?) all of them are dead or incomplete. Looking at github and other resources... cilre - dead, incomplete cll - dead!? incomplete clixra - dead, probably incomplete friendly-lojban - dead, probably incomplete l4b - dead, incomplete wave lessons - dead, incomplete http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban - far from complete, and I believe dead http://lodockikumazvati.org/ - alive! Though, I'm not sure I understand it yet http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/ - I have no idea. Seems cool. The wave lessons are extremely valuable. I intend to extract them from google wave (since the service is closing at the end of the year). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.