From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDZwL3lBBoErAnWLw@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 11:18:19 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4HWG-00019v-W1; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:18:18 -0700 Received: by pwj6 with SMTP id 6sf681223pwj.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:18:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=UyoeIePdJ8pumv1ZE6TFe6cYWxepe2bWrAmLZZkz86Q=; b=pVKKXrll2y6HMoo0DGB7ozFPacAONslTcS0YBUNE3tmha44HoRxW989kZ0NE/x6xpQ 9a1gEmwei4wTcgHgqcFeFBAf0LL70c9FuqEOK0yTkBqwjhjg/WGZG8cFB++c+2z8wvdB krEsb9bHFoHiDd3MAdnSqLFMH1y12X64MooNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=MFJnoKRgTXsf2ATW211YgMGIWDuZfS2IodhMOD+TgEFGM+ckVHS5DqecFwerf53lDi 7Zzv/n4WZuTKeN3LbOFw5AuEZgF9LzGvEuTM5JweVekFQFn0lvIPnPIvBmHOLNg725Ra GUCHHnxCeBkxyq67r6KQL+d2DlsDJBgl8uNT0= Received: by 10.115.101.33 with SMTP id d33mr108424wam.10.1286561881025; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:18:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.98.19 with SMTP id a19ls1197596wam.1.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.5 with SMTP id y5mr845910wad.28.1286561880213; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.151.5 with SMTP id y5mr845909wad.28.1286561880140; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com (mail-pz0-f47.google.com [209.85.210.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k37si4456107wae.2.2010.10.08.11.17.59; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.47; Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so224418pzk.20 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:17:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.119.7 with SMTP id r7mr2358810wfc.85.1286561878752; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:17:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:17:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: You're Doing it Wrong From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e0b6b7c3becc04921f073a --001636e0b6b7c3becc04921f073a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 you'll have to excuse the occasional harshness of our resident asshole. Lindar can be a bit rough on the exterior, but he's all sweet sweet caramel underneath. I can't speak for anybody else, but I know that sometimes when I'm learning something new, I don't want to hear it from a person, I want to read a formal definition or at least a structured book. Some people do learn very well from conversational teaching. Others want textbooks. So I can understand why some would be put off by just "visit IRC" as an answer to "how do I learn..." On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Lindar wrote: > Additionally, we're all human with lives of our own. As much as I love > the language and teaching it, I'm riding the line of homelessness on a > regular basis and trying to survive in a very harsh environment. > > The reason the CLL hasn't been updated is because we've had other > (more important) things to do. It's very much the least of our > concerns, especially as it isn't meant to be teaching material (it's > meant to specify and outline the language, hence 'reference grammar'). > Currently we (the BPFK) are busy with > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Sections > trying to completely and accurately define every word in the language. > When this gets done, then we have a dictionary project to work on (the > language will not be unfrozen until we publish the dictionary). So we > need to accurately define everything we currently have in the language > (and decide on what changes to the languages should be made official > and how any issues can be resolved), then we need to generate enough > vocabulary to fill an English-Lojban dictionary, THEN we need to work > on the CLL2, THEN we need to work on a new content management system > to replace jbovlaste, THEN we have a million other things to do after > that. > > So, really, get on IRC and talk to us. We'll be glad to teach you > stuff. You can call or text/e-mail/skype me ( +1(213)308-2590, > lindarthebard at yahoo dot com, lindarthebard) any time you like and I > will answer as soon as I possibly can. Your best bet is to get on > FreeNode and come to our IRC channel ( irc://irc.freenode.net/lojban > ). We love to teach, we'll help you with any problems you may have, we > won't throw books at you, there's a 65-70% chance that at any given > moment there are at least three people willing to give you a lesson on > the spot. > > tl;dr shit sucks. you fix it, we're busy. > > I look forward to meeting you on IRC. <3 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636e0b6b7c3becc04921f073a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you'll have to excuse the=A0occasional=A0harshness of our resident assh= ole. =A0Lindar can be a bit rough on the exterior, but he's all sweet s= weet caramel underneath.

I can't speak for anybody e= lse, but I know that sometimes when I'm learning something new, I don&#= 39;t want to hear it from a person, I want to read a formal definition or a= t least a structured book. =A0Some people do learn very well from conversat= ional teaching. =A0Others want textbooks. =A0So I can understand why some w= ould be put off by just "visit IRC" as an answer to "how do = I learn..."

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@y= ahoo.com> wrote:
Additionally, we're all human with lives of our own. As much as I love<= br> the language and teaching it, I'm riding the line of homelessness on a<= br> regular basis and trying to survive in a very harsh environment.

The reason the CLL hasn't been updated is because we've had other (more important) things to do. It's very much the least of our
concerns, especially as it isn't meant to be teaching material (it'= s
meant to specify and outline the language, hence 'reference grammar'= ;).
Currently we (the BPFK) are busy with http://www.lojban.o= rg/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Sections
trying to completely and accurately define every word in the language.
When this gets done, then we have a dictionary project to work on (the
language will not be unfrozen until we publish the dictionary). So we
need to accurately define everything we currently have in the language
(and decide on what changes to the languages should be made official
and how any issues can be resolved), then we need to generate enough
vocabulary to fill an English-Lojban dictionary, THEN we need to work
on the CLL2, THEN we need to work on a new content management system
to replace jbovlaste, THEN we have a million other things to do after
that.

So, really, get on IRC and talk to us. We'll be glad to teach you
stuff. You can call or text/e-mail/skype me ( +1(213)308-2590,
lindarthebard at yahoo dot com, lindarthebard) any time you like and I
will answer as soon as I possibly can. Your best bet is to get on
FreeNode and come to our IRC channel ( irc://irc.freenode.net/lojban
). We love to teach, we'll help you with any problems you may have, we<= br> won't throw books at you, there's a 65-70% chance that at any given=
moment there are at least three people willing to give you a lesson on
the spot.

tl;dr shit sucks. you fix it, we're busy.

I look forward to meeting you on IRC. <3

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