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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: You're Doing it Wrong To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <90eb6726-ca64-466f-8d18-6ab3924fde26@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 76.13.13.72 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Also, we're not a dead community. > The message board is actually thriving. > We're on IRC all the time. > We've spread out into social networks a bit. > We've got an internet talk show starting. > We're (still!!) planning a cartoon show. > Everyone here knows Robin, and we're all familiar with his essays. > (He likes to rant in short-story format.) > He's at least two vertebrae in the backbone of the community. >=20 > Frankly, we've been growing in activity, and I'm a bit put-off by your > perception of us. > You involved yourself with non-interactive learning media and then > seemed put-off by the lack of community. Then when you found it, it > was kinda like walking out into the middle of Los Angeles and saying, > "Wow, this place is a dump. Why doesn't anybody fix these cracks in > the ground? ...does anybody actually live here?". >=20 > We're aware of the cracks. If you stop staring at them and look up for > a moment, you'll notice all the people walking around. Go talk to one > of them. =3DP >=20 'Blaming the customer' is never a good=A0strategy for business. 'Blaming the public' is never a good strategy for politicians. 'Blaming newbies' is never a good strategy for the Lojban establishment. Why don't we consider how we can get a bunch of disallusioned newbies=20 together, and ask them what we need to do to intrigue, teach and retain the= m? totus --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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