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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: You're Doing it Wrong Message-ID: <20101008185039.GD29534@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> <90eb6726-ca64-466f-8d18-6ab3924fde26@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <834505.9033.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <834505.9033.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.51 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 11:46:55AM -0700, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > 'Blaming the customer' is never a good=A0strategy for business. > 'Blaming the public' is never a good strategy for politicians. > 'Blaming newbies' is never a good strategy for the Lojban establishment. >=20 > Why don't we consider how we can get a bunch of disallusioned newbies=20 > together, and ask them what we need to do to intrigue, teach and retain t= hem? >=20 Oh oh! Yes! Let's do that. I have one request (from this very totus) to improve the introductory material on my website. To provide an overview beyond the three sentences of the home page about what the game is and how to play it. I've comitted to totus to have something there by the end of next week. What would make you play {lo do ckiku ma zvati} with me? What kind of invitation do you need that I'm not providing? -Alan --=20 .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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