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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: You're Doing it Wrong To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <20101008185039.GD29534@alice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.142.237.92 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > 'Blaming the customer' is never a good=A0strategy for business. > > 'Blaming the public' is never a good strategy for politicians. > > 'Blaming newbies' is never a good strategy for the Lojban establishment= . > >=20 > > Why don't we consider how we can get a bunch of disallusioned newbies= =20 > > together, and ask them what we need to do to intrigue, teach and retain= =20 them? > >=20 >=20 > Oh oh!=A0 Yes!=A0 Let's do that. >=20 > I have one request (from this very totus) to improve the > introductory material on my website.=A0 To provide an overview beyond > the three sentences of the home page about what the game is and how > to play it.=A0 I've comitted to totus to have something there by the > end of next week. >=20 > What would make you play {lo do ckiku ma zvati} with me?=A0 What kind > of invitation do you need that I'm not providing? >=20 > -Alan > --=20 Thanks for asking, Alan.=A0 My learning strategy was and is: 1)=A0Study Lojban for Beginners 2) Study CLL 3) Use Quizlet.com to learn vocabulary 4) Read progressively more difficult texts starting with children's=20 books and request claification from the authors.=A0 I'm currently=20 into Alice in Wonderland, version 2 5) Propose definitions for lujvo in the above texts 6) Go interactive. I'm currently at 4) and 5). If your introductory text sells me the benefits of your approach,=20 that will do for 6). ki'e totus --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.