From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCv4L3lBBoEFz14hw@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 12:25:53 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4IZf-0006Dw-Ds; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:25:53 -0700 Received: by pvc7 with SMTP id 7sf709728pvc.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:25:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uVUzdcj8/VBUj5URVxEURGGweGGw24xi3uRyiLzx+7k=; b=wyCOIMLuOKsauX1gBIkGcEyZRmlPhbySyp59PAs9pv+R5dZb2pjw8f6v31GjQ1GK+L 0BIwFueyDs46njejygVdQGugGehLMPlSM6uGSMI4ZbASY3MZuHJBTc5mZYw/xPiObhbu ftRmtQDG7WS36llrLWr7Jrhm6CvBW6l7Ixxiw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=bEqgkafivga4Yt6kusjrOY56TS+vcEh8xxf73slRQXdMEkcpKe+pLfoHghkTfLIpJh JrWr+0WdAKscKukR2fw7mLJ1NDK7Vz8/uxkwV0Nobk1Z9oDv81O2CARnwU+L4ANeV59M 5giS8oYi4Cqx0zV0PmXw8WTmxXCrHsGgpzJwI= Received: by 10.143.27.40 with SMTP id e40mr130263wfj.31.1286565935144; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.10.2 with SMTP id 2ls632492wfj.0.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.131.6 with SMTP id e6mr516338wfd.74.1286565934494; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.131.6 with SMTP id e6mr516337wfd.74.1286565934456; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f173.google.com (mail-pv0-f173.google.com [74.125.83.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h6si4480044wfj.1.2010.10.08.12.25.33; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.173; Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so473855pvc.4 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:25:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.14.6 with SMTP id 6mr2453870wfn.66.1286565932978; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:25:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <383625.76963.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> <90eb6726-ca64-466f-8d18-6ab3924fde26@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <834505.9033.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20101008185039.GD29534@alice.local> <383625.76963.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: You're Doing it Wrong From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd20cca6a50b704921ff92b --000e0cd20cca6a50b704921ff92b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ta'o totus, I'm stuck at 3. I've been using quizlet and have actually gotten the first 500 gismu (ordered by popularity) down pretty solidly but I've recently hit a wall with words that just don't seem as useful. How many gismu did you learn before you said "ok, enough, any more gismu I will just learn on a need-to-know basis"? On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > > 'Blaming the customer' is never a good strategy for business. > > > 'Blaming the public' is never a good strategy for politicians. > > > 'Blaming newbies' is never a good strategy for the Lojban > establishment. > > > > > > Why don't we consider how we can get a bunch of disallusioned newbies > > > together, and ask them what we need to do to intrigue, teach and retain > them? > > > > > > > Oh oh! Yes! Let's do that. > > > > I have one request (from this very totus) to improve the > > introductory material on my website. To provide an overview beyond > > the three sentences of the home page about what the game is and how > > to play it. I've comitted to totus to have something there by the > > end of next week. > > > > What would make you play {lo do ckiku ma zvati} with me? What kind > > of invitation do you need that I'm not providing? > > > > -Alan > > -- > > Thanks for asking, Alan. My learning strategy was and is: > 1) Study Lojban for Beginners > 2) Study CLL > 3) Use Quizlet.com to learn vocabulary > 4) Read progressively more difficult texts starting with children's > books and request claification from the authors. I'm currently > into Alice in Wonderland, version 2 > 5) Propose definitions for lujvo in the above texts > 6) Go interactive. > > I'm currently at 4) and 5). > > If your introductory text sells me the benefits of your approach, > that will do for 6). > > ki'e > > totus > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd20cca6a50b704921ff92b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ta'o
totus, I'm stuck at 3. I've been using quizlet and hav= e actually gotten the first 500 gismu (ordered by popularity) down pretty s= olidly but I've recently hit a wall with words that just don't seem= as useful. =A0How many gismu did you learn before you said "ok, enoug= h, any more gismu I will just learn on a need-to-know basis"?

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 3:13 PM, A. PIEKARSKI= <totus@rogers.com= > wrote:

> > 'Blaming the customer' is never a good=A0strategy for bus= iness.
> > 'Blaming the public' is never a good strategy for politic= ians.
> > 'Blaming newbies' is never a good strategy for the Lojban= establishment.
> >
> > Why don't we consider how we can get a bunch of disallusioned= newbies
> > together, and ask them what we need to do to intrigue, teach and = retain
them?
> >
>
> Oh oh!=A0 Yes!=A0 Let's do that.
>
> I have one request (from this very totus) to improve the
> introductory material on my website.=A0 To provide an overview beyond<= br> > the three sentences of the home page about what the game is and how > to play it.=A0 I've comitted to totus to have something there by t= he
> end of next week.
>
> What would make you play {lo do ckiku ma zvati} with me?=A0 What kind<= br> > of invitation do you need that I'm not providing?
>
> -Alan
> --

Thanks for asking, Alan.=A0 My learning strategy was and is:
1)=A0Study Lojban for Beginners
2) Study CLL
3) Use Quizlet.com to learn vocabulary
4) Read progressively more difficult texts starting with children's
books and request claification from the authors.=A0 I'm currently
into Alice in Wonderland, version 2
5) Propose definitions for lujvo in the above texts
6) Go interactive.

I'm currently at 4) and 5).

If your introductory text sells me the benefits of your approach,
that will do for 6).

ki'e

totus

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