From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDQ573lBBoEzVERig@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 12:41:19 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4Iof-0006Xc-14; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:41:19 -0700 Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6sf360721vws.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:41:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=brMK/1mFqXxjntEaCVNJtnEnJETtECra39B9AdBnHaw=; b=AC/X+Rj3zYcBjaBoqJVN2El5hYDiPYdidgL3timZuufbUmf5nhaJdHdZUo5I92YQfK KLKz40HEFZKL8yjprcpLTNDiwCPpkMoH5H4rKz6REk21sBqDD8P9yALRsyXThoOoLCKp iYQ2Xeiv1TMOnkVSjQ0L6dgAnIxmF0A7bCl1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ElU1LAGEoLWi95AipGrygMRkJkZapCJzbBzXFHYZfgsWoZtG8frCodBnhyznW0kuQT ezlolx+XIk5qh6cpqbXUeNRPNIeK7YrzVO8FXkQpTUUpKxV39fdM1LSD4GoO3uQD7f6T a47JjqUactIK4aunW6i4HI6fREpapiiZW/aX8= Received: by 10.220.193.132 with SMTP id du4mr95109vcb.15.1286566864829; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:41:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.191.205 with SMTP id dn13ls207973vcb.3.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.178.69 with SMTP id bl5mr734678vcb.5.1286566863237; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.178.69 with SMTP id bl5mr734677vcb.5.1286566863172; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x11si978447vbl.5.2010.10.08.12.41.02; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.177; Received: by mail-qy0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 32so1732131qyk.8 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:41:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.215.76 with SMTP id hd12mr2419788qcb.44.1286566861919; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.85.3 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:41:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> <90eb6726-ca64-466f-8d18-6ab3924fde26@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:41:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: You're Doing it Wrong From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Brian Shannon wrote: > On 8 October 2010 19:23, Lindar wrote: >> Also, we're not a dead community. >> ... >> You involved yourself with non-interactive learning media and then >> seemed put-off by the lack of community. > > I'm put off by the lack of activity around incomplete learning > materials for newcomers such as myself - not by a lack of community. > Ooh, ooh! Can I play "blame the newbie"? Fact is, we were ALL newbies once. Every single one of us. Even lojbab, the inventor of lojban. And all of us who are in the community today learned with at MOST the amount of material you have at your disposal, and in many cases, a lot less. So obviously, it's out there, it's sufficient for the purposes of learning, and it's getting more and more each day. I personally learned by reading the CLL cover-to-cover, then the gismu lists. CLL is far from dead or incomplete. I skipped L4B (also far from dead or incomplete) but many people find it just great. IRC was a dark and scary place when I first started, with oldbies more likely to bite your head off than be welcoming (not all, just the prevailing oeuvre). Thankfully, that has changed drastically. Less kvetching and more requesting what is you need in order to help you learn would be a more effective tactic. --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.