From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCQ7b3lBBoEGOWsqQ@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 12:53:04 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4J00-0006uZ-Cm; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:53:04 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf1262757gwb.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=I7aFbuE2uA4ScmMWsDxxqWxpuMm70MdIRIm1eX/bpj4=; b=fAcPgK5gUXirD1XjzglQVHV1JNw3OYZ42erXoIyyd8gBHseZMYUcXpgidMKorfPDB/ VbWg+VUbGm2hEVd/NRd6wdthK295L8IPa+oBC6inkzF77SEZgKujvrBDWNXMdUBrgxoO rGrfzj1loaOrzWtpEP1n2fecdfmroaY5UqE5w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=M5/BgtdWr6SNGiC0A41smPGpEnRBpPncEqRDacOZkmnZsQ68u7JxIoQvbSmwyBzTYu dp3tD9FWcXfHDfyQzD4D3aL1KJsh9MCbhPqNegNGPT3npGBWrP1cqAC0lAW2haOYSfKm +DVUHoX/mcaoZ6ldIXc1COXGrM1NyCoqk/Ya4= Received: by 10.101.27.36 with SMTP id e36mr33466anj.34.1286567568119; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.68.15 with SMTP id q15ls192239ana.2.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.96.6 with SMTP id t6mr613562anb.23.1286567566824; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.96.6 with SMTP id t6mr613561anb.23.1286567566717; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f51.google.com (mail-gw0-f51.google.com [74.125.83.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n16si1590456ana.11.2010.10.08.12.52.45; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.51; Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12so538721gwa.38 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:52:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.143.17 with SMTP id q17mr911413and.151.1286567565051; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101008170439.GE20458@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20101008170439.GE20458@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:52:44 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] You're Doing it Wrong From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6435224b1c6e50492205a68 --0016e6435224b1c6e50492205a68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 02:07:09AM -0700, Viral Lamb wrote: > > Why hasn't the CLL been updated? Or the L4B? Why is this "xorlo" > > thing even here when I see no way of clearly learning it? That > > made me feel stupid and frustrated. Why does it seem like no one > > is updating anything? Why does it seem like the community has > > died? Then I found Robin's essay on his blog, > > > http://teddyb.org/robin/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban:+You%27re+Doing+It+Wrong > > > > Finally, someone who felt as I did. Someone who could give me > > answers. Someone who could show me the light. Then I became sad. > > This was written in February, and yet nothing has changed. No one > > was talking about it. The hope I had while reading the essay, then > > died. It seemed to confirm my feelings. No one cared. > > There was a bunch of discussion at the time. Apparently it was > mostly in IRC? as I can't find anything on the mailing list. Maybe > it was the LLG Member's list, dunno. > > Anyways. Many things were said. Many promises were made. Some > BPFK work was actually done. But not much. And then it basically > stopped. And here we are. > > If you want stuff done around here, I'm afraid you have to do it > yourself. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ I wouldn't be surprised if my no-longer-very-recent formatting efforts of the BPFK sections was the most recent effort on that front. Which reminds me, I really need to finish doing that.... -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Robin Lee Powel= l <rlpo= well@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 02:07:09AM -0700, Viral Lamb wrot= e:
> Why hasn't the CLL been updated? Or the L4B? Why is this "xor= lo"
> thing even here when I see no way of clearly learning it? That
> made me feel stupid and frustrated. Why does it seem like no one
> is updating anything? Why does it seem like the community has
> died? Then I found Robin's essay on his blog,
> http://teddyb.org/robin/tiki-index.ph= p?page=3DLojban:+You%27re+Doing+It+Wrong
>
> Finally, someone who felt as I did. Someone who could give me
> answers. Someone who could show me the light. Then I became sad.
> This was written in February, and yet nothing has changed. No one
> was talking about it. The hope I had while reading the essay, then
> died. It seemed to confirm my feelings. No one cared.

There was a bunch of discussion at the time. =A0Apparently it was
mostly in IRC? as I can't find anything on the mailing list. =A0Maybe it was the LLG Member's list, dunno.

Anyways. =A0Many things were said. =A0Many promises were made. =A0Some
BPFK work was actually done. =A0But not much. =A0And then it basically
stopped. =A0And here we are.

If you want stuff done around here, I'm afraid you have to do it
yourself.

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/

I wouldn't be surprised if my no-longer-ver= y-recent formatting efforts of the BPFK sections was the most recent effort= on that front. Which reminds me, I really need to finish doing that....
--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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