From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCP8L3lBBoE1yjCcg@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 12:59:27 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4J6B-00075B-GS; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:59:27 -0700 Received: by ywo7 with SMTP id 7sf609015ywo.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:59:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MyBLKH1W4+LDNwaMi8hxFjUn5FuSgHXL0lXWOW9t1s0=; b=g1ihmIZcrkxJJ24XqKFkxfRcZkA+frxCQWj56X9YwzEDA00O3enpSComvoAa+ZKUSz 6Gm3oyOlLVS6yLGtgqd44FOD6E4GGzZGk4BMjwjcMA0gM3oyknm1FzqVUTlyXceCjvOE 07s5s7FAaeye9ibjObcBXH91CV51fuARtegmU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LWYhJOKu5/zuykOZf2XvB5ElJcraioXRem65+DimPUhGtMg+Jo0kmSLzIF+ZkeoRCl B4l6gmOXAzpA31Trd5kpJM8uRvmSpse8WqcWzFcd7lxcxKYEbe35K0cHkJdyfJsq0xAQ UW+y1SxNKJL18UUSVk8ZNj3NDAj2SeYPcbh/g= Received: by 10.91.67.9 with SMTP id u9mr253699agk.57.1286567951091; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.112.41 with SMTP id u41ls649392ibp.1.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr804260ibd.3.1286567950284; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.35.77 with SMTP id o13mr804255ibd.3.1286567950154; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si2004074ibq.1.2010.10.08.12.59.09; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by mail-iw0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 39so1825051iwn.40 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:59:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.191.147 with SMTP id dm19mr2634452ibb.6.1286567948730; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 12:59:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:59:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] You're Doing it Wrong From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367b6eca9041ea0492207133 --0016367b6eca9041ea0492207133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Brian Shannon < teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> wrote: > I'm very new here so take what I say with a pinch of salt. > > I've been trying to learn lojban for a short while now and have > encountered these difficulties too. One of the most frustrating things > for me is that while many learning resources have been created, > (almost?) all of them are dead or incomplete. > > Looking at github and other resources... > cilre - dead, incomplete > cll - dead!? incomplete > clixra - dead, probably incomplete > friendly-lojban - dead, probably incomplete > l4b - dead, incomplete > wave lessons - dead, incomplete > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban - far from complete, and I believe > dead > http://lodockikumazvati.org/ - alive! Though, I'm not sure I understand it > yet > http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/ - I have no idea. Seems cool. > > The wave lessons are extremely valuable. I intend to extract them from > google wave (since the service is closing at the end of the year). jboselkei is really cool. I haven't been on it much recently, I am shamed to admit, but it's awesome. And no one mentioned the Smart.fm lessons, which are both alive AND complete? Lojban gismu - structure, places Lojban gismu - structure Lojban gismu - per-place sumtiLojban cmavo, with no compounds Lojban cmavo, with some compounds http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016367b6eca9041ea0492207133 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Brian S= hannon <teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> wrote:
I'm very new here so take what I say with a pinch of salt.

I've been trying to learn lojban for a short while now and have
encountered these difficulties too. One of the most frustrating things
for me is that while many learning resources have been created,
(almost?) all of them are dead or incomplete.

Looking at github and other resources...
cilre - dead, incomplete
cll - dead!? incomplete
clixra - dead, probably incomplete
friendly-lojban - dead, probably incomplete
l4b - dead, incomplete
wave lessons - dead, incomplete
http://en= .wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban - far from complete, and I believe dead
http://lodockiku= mazvati.org/ - alive! Though, I'm not sure I understand it yet
http://www.teddyb.= org/jsk/ - I have no idea. Seems cool.

The wave lessons are extremely valuable. I intend to extract them from
google wave (since the service is closing at the end of the year).

jboselkei is re= ally cool. I haven't been on it much recently, I am shamed to admit, bu= t it's awesome.

And no one mentioned the Smart.fm lessons, which are both alive AND com= plete?

Lojban gismu - per-place sumti

Lojban cmavo, with no compounds

Lojban cmavo, with some compounds

http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=3Dlojban&= amp;keyword=3D&language=3Djbo

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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