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To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] You're Doing it Wrong Message-ID: <20101008200633.GF29534@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 74.125.83.54 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 01:59:08PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Brian Shannon > <[1]teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I'm very new here so take what I say with a pinch of salt. > > I've been trying to learn lojban for a short while now and have > encountered these difficulties too. One of the most frustrating things > for me is that while many learning resources have been created, > (almost?) all of them are dead or incomplete. > > Looking at github and other resources... > cilre - dead, incomplete > cll - dead!? incomplete > clixra - dead, probably incomplete > friendly-lojban - dead, probably incomplete > l4b - dead, incomplete > wave lessons - dead, incomplete > [2]http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban - far from complete, and I > believe dead > [3]http://lodockikumazvati.org/ - alive! Though, I'm not sure I > understand it yet > [4]http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/ - I have no idea. Seems cool. > > The wave lessons are extremely valuable. I intend to extract them from > google wave (since the service is closing at the end of the year). > > [5]jboselkei is really cool. I haven't been on it much recently, I am > shamed to admit, but it's awesome. > > And no one mentioned the Smart.fm lessons, which are both alive AND > complete? > > [6]Lojban gismu - structure, places > > [7]Lojban gismu - structure > > [8]Lojban gismu - per-place sumti > > [9]Lojban cmavo, with no compounds > > [10]Lojban cmavo, with some compounds > > [11]http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > I'm reminded to ask you: Will you work with me on creating a set of smart.fm lessons tailored to playing {lo do ckiku ma zvati}? This involves creating restricted vocabulary lists containing only words used at certain fluency levels, with (I believe) a lesson for each level. have/give/take/want (le vajrai se tadni) is one level/lesson. I'd be happy to create the lists (I assume there is an input format around I could base my work off of) if you'd manage uploading them for me. What do you think? -Alan -- .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.