From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDj973lBBoEKkCXtA@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 13:15:47 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4JLy-0008Nc-Rd; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:47 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf1293032gya.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uF9DuuRq4x2ykFqQ0PTGE8JjcvHGme1/QUYQuPdI13E=; b=cdpBQFwNb95OtpNd4srJLbf2RP/nE/wPK+46+ZceOP+De72+nCzWdg8jjKXP7e8YVK ZNtGRRDk75+Sj2qKhvOLczuDcmCGXRdwZqFbwC/SbaE01OY2RN0uZeODMwCV+qJPicYX IcZ5h8h+JTt9y7086VCt/eN55o1afaDuFbUEk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=7A1ppsOtFlSzPLhj8QMksXas1vKL4FaUHFU/Mf9Ji2c+0yeMVfL4oaTax08zd84c78 J9gIqfqT76qJbXhwuZ7EuqkNlRE5AMzHRLGpiGXmdm+dvu7MvQ/CR3kwjd2H40gzi3EF PbuLFtwsZA2HNeQP5K4F3JEgQfXcQVnkavuIU= Received: by 10.90.5.17 with SMTP id 17mr259548age.21.1286568931142; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls653722ibg.3.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.73 with SMTP id s9mr754293ibd.14.1286568930605; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.73 with SMTP id s9mr754292ibd.14.1286568930534; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com (mail-iw0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bm7si2258754ibb.6.2010.10.08.13.15.29; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.169; Received: by mail-iw0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 1so1053077iwn.14 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.166.139 with SMTP id m11mr2700855iby.136.1286568929027; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101008200633.GF29534@alice.local> References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> <20101008200633.GF29534@alice.local> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:15:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] You're Doing it Wrong From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045013c64fe7622049220ab42 --005045013c64fe7622049220ab42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:06 PM, .alyn.post. wrote: > On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 01:59:08PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Brian Shannon > > <[1]teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > I'm very new here so take what I say with a pinch of salt. > > > > I've been trying to learn lojban for a short while now and have > > encountered these difficulties too. One of the most frustrating > things > > for me is that while many learning resources have been created, > > (almost?) all of them are dead or incomplete. > > > > Looking at github and other resources... > > cilre - dead, incomplete > > cll - dead!? incomplete > > clixra - dead, probably incomplete > > friendly-lojban - dead, probably incomplete > > l4b - dead, incomplete > > wave lessons - dead, incomplete > > [2]http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban - far from complete, and I > > believe dead > > [3]http://lodockikumazvati.org/ - alive! Though, I'm not sure I > > understand it yet > > [4]http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/ - I have no idea. Seems cool. > > > > The wave lessons are extremely valuable. I intend to extract them > from > > google wave (since the service is closing at the end of the year). > > > > [5]jboselkei is really cool. I haven't been on it much recently, I am > > shamed to admit, but it's awesome. > > > > And no one mentioned the Smart.fm lessons, which are both alive AND > > complete? > > > > [6]Lojban gismu - structure, places > > > > [7]Lojban gismu - structure > > > > [8]Lojban gismu - per-place sumti > > > > [9]Lojban cmavo, with no compounds > > > > [10]Lojban cmavo, with some compounds > > > > [11] > http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > I'm reminded to ask you: > > Will you work with me on creating a set of smart.fm lessons tailored > to playing {lo do ckiku ma zvati}? This involves creating restricted > vocabulary lists containing only words used at certain fluency > levels, with (I believe) a lesson for each level. have/give/take/want > (le vajrai se tadni) is one level/lesson. > > I'd be happy to create the lists (I assume there is an input format > around I could base my work off of) if you'd manage uploading them > for me. > > What do you think? > > -Alan > -- > .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi > Actually, when I did my lessons, it was Robin who did the uploading for /me/. He has a wonderful little script that automated the whole process. The actual source that was used for the uploading is a Google Doc, which was converted into a CSV and then emailed to Robin, after which it magically became the five lessons. The google doc is at tinyurl.com/simplifiedgismu, and is publicly editable, so you're welcome to use that as a starting point if you desire. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --005045013c64fe7622049220ab42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:06 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.po= st@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 01:59:08PM -0600, Jonathan Jones = wrote:
> =A0 =A0On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Brian Shannon
> =A0 =A0<[1]teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0I'm very new here so take what I say with a pinch of sa= lt.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0I've been trying to learn lojban for a short while now = and have
> =A0 =A0 =A0encountered these difficulties too. One of the most frustra= ting things
> =A0 =A0 =A0for me is that while many learning resources have been crea= ted,
> =A0 =A0 =A0(almost?) all of them are dead or incomplete.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Looking at github and other resources...
> =A0 =A0 =A0cilre - dead, incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0cll - dead!? incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0clixra - dead, probably incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0friendly-lojban - dead, probably incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0l4b - dead, incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0wave lessons - dead, incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0[2]http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban - far from complete= , and I
> =A0 =A0 =A0believe dead
> =A0 =A0 =A0[3]http://lodockikumazvati.org/ - alive! Though, I'm not sure I
> =A0 =A0 =A0understand it yet
> =A0 =A0 =A0[4]http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/ - I have no idea. Seems cool.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0The wave lessons are extremely valuable. I intend to extrac= t them from
> =A0 =A0 =A0google wave (since the service is closing at the end of the= year).
>
> =A0 =A0[5]jboselkei is really cool. I haven't been on it muc= h recently, I am
> =A0 =A0shamed to admit, but it's awesome.
>
> =A0 =A0And no one mentioned the Smart.fm lessons, which are both alive= AND
> =A0 =A0complete?
>
> =A0 [6]Lojban gismu - structure, places
>
> =A0 [7]Lojban gismu - structure
>
> =A0 [8]Lojban gismu - per-place sumti
>
> =A0 [9]Lojban cmavo, with no compounds
>
> =A0 [10]Lojban cmavo, with some compounds
>
> =A0 =A0[11]http://smart.fm/goa= ls/search?autodetected=3Dlojban&keyword=3D&language=3Djbo
>
> =A0 =A0--
> =A0 =A0mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>

I'm reminded to ask you:

Will you work with me on creating a set of smart.fm lessons tailored
to playing {lo do ckiku ma zvati}? =A0This involves creating restricted
vocabulary lists containing only words used at certain fluency
levels, with (I believe) a lesson for each level. =A0have/give/take/want (le vajrai se tadni) is one level/lesson.

I'd be happy to create the lists (I assume there is an input format
around I could base my work off of) if you'd manage uploading them
for me.

What do you think?

-Alan
--
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi

Actually, when I did= my lessons, it was Robin who did the uploading for /me/. He has a wonderfu= l little script that automated the whole process. The actual source that wa= s used for the uploading is a Google Doc, which was converted into a CSV an= d then emailed to Robin, after which it magically became the five lessons.<= br>
The google doc is at tin= yurl.com/simplifiedgismu, and is publicly editable, so you're welco= me to use that as a starting point if you desire.

-- <= br> mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe l= o pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Si= de! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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