From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDD_L3lBBoEi6rGFw@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 13:25:56 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4JVo-0006IZ-3N; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:25:55 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf1290301gwb.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:25:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nl2LaaHIP+VTr6TfGFWDP6wMrtB2+10WO2ICc7m1Ubg=; b=KX2HzuZVJeG7Q+C1fSxVGQSsvWReAglB/16tziH15ISboaD0LpAODrfzEYEo5RCGqN 2sXV+z1HVHeBw03uKhc63BFa+YlPPsdY+MwgN1AjB8DHdQ303afvSeCL/NxcmJ9waboc iUQHGUxvv8beNNpAvU3v+RQIKY8PABZ1VUpIQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ju/oV9lL/lDhTOx/0OA0kiTwZ9DkrGZjjyrys6p+cYLbCtWDrr9yTJAaJs45Dudft0 KGtLLI4lbmZTpyr6OcxiamxH1zr+M6mwWTCu5BM+lHChCwlF6K4PXUNoUHxYQ1h31e7g nPSASgqAJfTtCFYSc2jwJfuMAdeHSl0UY5AXE= Received: by 10.90.18.6 with SMTP id 6mr263006agr.8.1286569539728; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:25:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls656521ibr.2.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.183.7 with SMTP id ce7mr929630ibb.7.1286569538096; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.183.7 with SMTP id ce7mr929629ibb.7.1286569538037; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f178.google.com (mail-iw0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si2018910ibq.5.2010.10.08.13.25.37; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.178; Received: by iwn4 with SMTP id 4so1132528iwn.37 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:25:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.162.13 with SMTP id t13mr2700481ibx.160.1286569534917; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:25:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> <20101008200633.GF29534@alice.local> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:25:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] You're Doing it Wrong From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504501400c1b8c25049220d09a --00504501400c1b8c25049220d09a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:06 PM, .alyn.post. < > alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 01:59:08PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Brian Shannon >> > <[1]teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> wrote: >> > >> > I'm very new here so take what I say with a pinch of salt. >> > >> > I've been trying to learn lojban for a short while now and have >> > encountered these difficulties too. One of the most frustrating >> things >> > for me is that while many learning resources have been created, >> > (almost?) all of them are dead or incomplete. >> > >> > Looking at github and other resources... >> > cilre - dead, incomplete >> > cll - dead!? incomplete >> > clixra - dead, probably incomplete >> > friendly-lojban - dead, probably incomplete >> > l4b - dead, incomplete >> > wave lessons - dead, incomplete >> > [2]http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban - far from complete, and I >> > believe dead >> > [3]http://lodockikumazvati.org/ - alive! Though, I'm not sure I >> > understand it yet >> > [4]http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/ - I have no idea. Seems cool. >> > >> > The wave lessons are extremely valuable. I intend to extract them >> from >> > google wave (since the service is closing at the end of the year). >> > >> > [5]jboselkei is really cool. I haven't been on it much recently, I am >> > shamed to admit, but it's awesome. >> > >> > And no one mentioned the Smart.fm lessons, which are both alive AND >> > complete? >> > >> > [6]Lojban gismu - structure, places >> > >> > [7]Lojban gismu - structure >> > >> > [8]Lojban gismu - per-place sumti >> > >> > [9]Lojban cmavo, with no compounds >> > >> > [10]Lojban cmavo, with some compounds >> > >> > [11] >> http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo >> > >> > -- >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > >> >> I'm reminded to ask you: >> >> Will you work with me on creating a set of smart.fm lessons tailored >> to playing {lo do ckiku ma zvati}? This involves creating restricted >> vocabulary lists containing only words used at certain fluency >> levels, with (I believe) a lesson for each level. have/give/take/want >> (le vajrai se tadni) is one level/lesson. >> >> I'd be happy to create the lists (I assume there is an input format >> around I could base my work off of) if you'd manage uploading them >> for me. >> >> What do you think? >> >> -Alan >> -- >> .i ko djuno fi le do sevzi >> > > Actually, when I did my lessons, it was Robin who did the uploading for > /me/. He has a wonderful little script that automated the whole process. The > actual source that was used for the uploading is a Google Doc, which was > converted into a CSV and then emailed to Robin, after which it magically > became the five lessons. > > The google doc is at tinyurl.com/simplifiedgismu, and is publicly > editable, so you're welcome to use that as a starting point if you desire. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > Oh, and I'd be happy to help in any way I can. An idea: Since the game involves sign language, you'll probably want to include, as pictures, the ASL of the words. I know Smart.fm supports that, although I don't know what file formats are allowed. I am also relatively certain that it wouldn't be difficult to make Robin's auto-upload script work with pictures too - although you might have to catch him in a magnanimous mood. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00504501400c1b8c25049220d09a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
On Fri, Oct 8,= 2010 at 2:06 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org= > wrote:
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 01:59:08PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> =A0 =A0On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Brian Shannon
> =A0 =A0<[1]teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> wrote:<= br> >
> =A0 =A0 =A0I'm very new here so take what I say with a pinch of sa= lt.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0I've been trying to learn lojban for a short while now = and have
> =A0 =A0 =A0encountered these difficulties too. One of the most frustra= ting things
> =A0 =A0 =A0for me is that while many learning resources have been crea= ted,
> =A0 =A0 =A0(almost?) all of them are dead or incomplete.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0Looking at github and other resources...
> =A0 =A0 =A0cilre - dead, incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0cll - dead!? incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0clixra - dead, probably incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0friendly-lojban - dead, probably incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0l4b - dead, incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0wave lessons - dead, incomplete
> =A0 =A0 =A0[2]http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban - far from complete= , and I
> =A0 =A0 =A0believe dead
> =A0 =A0 =A0[3]http://lodockikumazvati.org/ - alive! Though, I'm not sure I
> =A0 =A0 =A0understand it yet
> =A0 =A0 =A0[4]http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/ - I have no idea. Seems cool.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0The wave lessons are extremely valuable. I intend to extrac= t them from
> =A0 =A0 =A0google wave (since the service is closing at the end of the= year).
>
> =A0 =A0[5]jboselkei is really cool. I haven't been on it muc= h recently, I am
> =A0 =A0shamed to admit, but it's awesome.
>
> =A0 =A0And no one mentioned the Smart.fm lessons, which are both alive= AND
> =A0 =A0complete?
>
> =A0 [6]Lojban gismu - structure, places
>
> =A0 [7]Lojban gismu - structure
>
> =A0 [8]Lojban gismu - per-place sumti
>
> =A0 [9]Lojban cmavo, with no compounds
>
> =A0 [10]Lojban cmavo, with some compounds
>
> =A0 =A0[11]http://smart.fm/goa= ls/search?autodetected=3Dlojban&keyword=3D&language=3Djbo
>
> =A0 =A0--
> =A0 =A0mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>

I'm reminded to ask you:

Will you work with me on creating a set of smart.fm lessons tailored
to playing {lo do ckiku ma zvati}? =A0This involves creating restricted
vocabulary lists containing only words used at certain fluency
levels, with (I believe) a lesson for each level. =A0have/give/take/want (le vajrai se tadni) is one level/lesson.

I'd be happy to create the lists (I assume there is an input format
around I could base my work off of) if you'd manage uploading them
for me.

What do you think?

-Alan
--
.i ko djuno fi le do sevzi

Actually= , when I did my lessons, it was Robin who did the uploading for /me/. He ha= s a wonderful little script that automated the whole process. The actual so= urce that was used for the uploading is a Google Doc, which was converted i= nto a CSV and then emailed to Robin, after which it magically became the fi= ve lessons.

The google doc is at tinyurl.com/simplifiedgismu, and is publicly editable, s= o you're welcome to use that as a starting point if you desire.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.= i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi = patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

Oh, and I'd be happy to help in any = way I can.

An idea: Since the game involves sign language, you'l= l probably want to include, as pictures, the ASL of the words. I know Smart= .fm supports that, although I don't know what file formats are allowed.= I am also relatively certain that it wouldn't be difficult to make Rob= in's auto-upload script work with pictures too - although you might hav= e to catch him in a magnanimous mood.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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