From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCj1r7lBBoEZB75Vw@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 16:37:22 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4MV5-00030U-Lt; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:37:22 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf1537109gya.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:37:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kKwluQLZh7gAFuLapTe3dXPCUwbaAztXtNJwI3w1Nng=; b=RFymVCNSWF3PsYVxuGxMvInvXkvkzttfrMcpKnrs8pAHzEXI4UsYjW8K+dxrTj7dcG t/EVUFIecVzdr9nLAPkoNDz9Ff6A/H1oCEXfJ92/4qfLIkKEUubuROW9MmfxmxU/oewu xMtjDCd7cEZCbgRrnMWxYT3phnt8mBVi4Q6NM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=PmBlxZbT89QPuAis6XU/dbw6pF7g4nLxdnzPApnB3k0nJmaPlPWHKMA/ULnhdtpWym t4uMBCpFXFV+xNrAo67P825pIZgpLA7QRJcATU3DFZeAx/kkf5j2IUFyV5J742FVSalH Q0wJHYDXio8exZCYti60RbF1MxF27HOZQUjmU= Received: by 10.90.219.3 with SMTP id r3mr270742agg.40.1286581027181; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:37:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.180.73 with SMTP id bt9ls631011ibb.0.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.191.68 with SMTP id dl4mr975265ibb.18.1286581026520; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.191.68 with SMTP id dl4mr975264ibb.18.1286581026493; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id cm31si2498116ibb.3.2010.10.08.16.37.05; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.174; Received: by iwn6 with SMTP id 6so1140374iwn.33 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.33.137 with SMTP id h9mr2830687ibd.91.1286581025016; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.16 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:37:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010081931.29131.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201010081931.29131.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:37:04 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] soi From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325575e5ef88bd10492237ca3 --000325575e5ef88bd10492237ca3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > Just checking the grammar, I find that 1) a soi-phrase is the same kind of > free modifier as a sei-clause, 2) "soi" can itself be followed by a free > modifier, and 3) "soi" can be followed by one or two sumti. So the > following > sentences are grammatically correct: > > .i soi xi re li pai li te'o mi klama le zarci > .i mi simtavla do soi soi le tirxu le cinfo do mi > .i mi klama le zarci soi do > > What do such constructions mean? > > Pierre > -- > li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa > Reading your post, I find that 1) I hate {soi}, 2) I don't understand {soi}, and 3) 2) is the cause of 1). Just taking a guess, I'd say the third jufra is equivalent to {.i mi klama le zarci .e do}, but given 2), I'm probably wrong. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000325575e5ef88bd10492237ca3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu= > wrote:
Just checking the grammar, I find that 1) a soi-phrase is the same kind of<= br> free modifier as a sei-clause, 2) "soi" can itself be followed by= a free
modifier, and 3) "soi" can be followed by one or two sumti. So th= e following
sentences are grammatically correct:

.i soi xi re li pai li te'o mi klama le zarci
.i mi simtavla do soi soi le tirxu le cinfo do mi
.i mi klama le zarci soi do

What do such constructions mean?

Pierre
--
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

Reading your post, I find that 1) I hate {soi= }, 2) I don't understand {soi}, and 3) 2) is the cause of 1).

Ju= st taking a guess, I'd say the third jufra is equivalent to {.i mi klam= a le zarci .e do}, but given 2), I'm probably wrong.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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