From lojban+bncCMuAoImuBxCU3r7lBBoEchemmA@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 16:54:11 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4MlM-0003XF-GB; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:54:11 -0700 Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6sf398707vws.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:54:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KWPcjctYju1xxrEl5ZBWM7KDi0NxiUDOuhJ08ezZ2hA=; b=f1/AcIDryS1fE6VwhAdAzUpO6y3Gh8WhtcUAgFis5sIKxxRfB/8W/USiYoAdAwgddX MYDDSAbAvUpBlRJeeT6BFtrG1cBa2pNsAuHXj9j5mrNpRi7TlCTqWTFGt29BbguMdrYk f4uPVhd9+gCLXmC4fXxjt97AhOUamRz8AKw/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=hATmNrlNOoVxhJfcTHCQL16h/YxCAS5Ih8vAt+aot22IgCaLS1S6nLQK/7e0Mnkays M889EqzvEduDlGzzBqXh8W+Ma4EHnmeiGcrtIev0eMS/rhFcHFDsAIBoEMtAdFg7In26 vVLUkY6p3oUzBucAPXKB0GvWHPOkom+C7e7w8= Received: by 10.220.191.66 with SMTP id dl2mr94117vcb.28.1286582036653; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.160.2 with SMTP id l2ls229111vcx.4.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.182.133 with SMTP id cc5mr31756vcb.9.1286582035942; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.182.133 with SMTP id cc5mr31755vcb.9.1286582035923; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f174.google.com (mail-qy0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b7si714804vcx.7.2010.10.08.16.53.54; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jtorndorff@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.174; Received: by mail-qy0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 1so606322qyk.19 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:53:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.192.21 with SMTP id do21mr2571145qcb.57.1286582034649; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.72.135 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 16:53:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:53:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: You're Doing it Wrong From: Jameson Orndorff To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jtorndorff@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jtorndorff@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jtorndorff@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > The lojban wave lessons were great for getting back into learning > lojban, but it just lacked the detail I was looking for, especially > concerning "xorlo". What it did cover however was very good and I'm > sorry if I sounded too critical of it. No problems at all. The wave and any final product I put out will likely not mention any of the history of the language until possibly the very end. Mentioning the *changes* made with xorlo and dotside are, to me, utterly irrelevant when learning the language; the sole exception being the interaction that happens when you meet someone who doesn't know about said changes. But fundamentally, I'm (quite possibly egotistically) intending on replacing any beginner to intermediate level learning material with the final product I will pull from the Wave. And yes, unfortunately, sometimes you have to do it yourself. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.