From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCy8L7lBBoE_qkR-A@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 17:33:07 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4NN0-0005xI-3q; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:33:07 -0700 Received: by pzk7 with SMTP id 7sf907859pzk.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:32:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=gdRVbc+nu3z80XmezkAYQsVy//S4dXJw0fFHA2wXRhs=; b=OI518cVqL5mABS1VXsDPUBOzqsPUlpb5lBuRT1YsKa1MCaQawSdzWGA/GIdX8s6jkl Kre5wlAuGZ7lujRO8HKk5rXrA0AgIW2t9SyJzbwhxO/eQ7qqjrUEjveEWV6YvgyWK9N9 OZWxeC2ez0iZkP7Z9g5TewUj8Cp/nBZhmroU0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=hfnqVG/fPHoyvWuPUXU+U8yObLw8y4brIjnZPX8735lTUg+66bSPhsJl716fPWo9u1 /HM4fJHWk9IzEO3zahirdyStJaWlTG+cOxvNS+s5hlPbJQEhLIlOmWAtxGRudIOqn0LP Bdvm7yNk4zlpRrnaP8R0Pq7kyMsA084dfFBeU= Received: by 10.142.150.32 with SMTP id x32mr36807wfd.62.1286584370218; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:32:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.248.13 with SMTP id v13ls17855wfh.0.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.169.14 with SMTP id r14mr1113943wfe.51.1286584369556; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.169.14 with SMTP id r14mr1113942wfe.51.1286584369533; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s21si1263482wff.4.2010.10.08.17.32.49; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=UAZ0ep3suvkVn+xl78ZyFqEJZfCyw4fsauT9kMdOA88= c=1 sm=0 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=NbuNI5EK6wmgI7izg4oA:9 a=-XyY5it_4eioUsuK9vxPSuQrYPQA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:53012] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 85/92-03860-038BFAC4; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 00:32:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8000C47AF for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:32:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] soi Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:32:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201010081931.29131.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010082032.41502.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 08 October 2010 19:37:04 Jonathan Jones wrote: > Reading your post, I find that 1) I hate {soi}, 2) I don't understand > {soi}, and 3) 2) is the cause of 1). I understand "soi", in its normal usage. It's followed by two sumti which occur elsewhere in the sentence, or sumyma'o which refer to them, and means that the sentence remains true when those two sumti are exchanged. What I don't understand is why it can be followed by only one sumti, and why "soi" can be attached to words, including "soi" itself, in the manner of "xi". ("soi xi PA" presumably can indicate which bridi is being reciprocated, but I'd rather put "xi" on "vo'a" to indicate which bridi's sumti is being exchanged.) Such sentences I regard as syntactically valid nonsense, like "mi du ra'o do te.u ko'a .ibi'ibo lo finpe be naku cu rodbo'e xi pai". Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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