From lojban+bncCN673cmqFBCFm7_lBBoEh0boLA@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 19:04:04 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4On3-00029C-Hh; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:04:04 -0700 Received: by gya1 with SMTP id 1sf1602506gya.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:03:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:x-vr-score :x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score:message-id:date:from:user-agent :x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kQmHz+E+S/1ME08h2O7ahjwtVDvIs2rxTxOf4cT1Ge8=; b=sWj2gIp90X1PJJ8GiS2gMDlXReaWAMga+oVmzwInTTFWzXkme9ghLImtnNiULjkllW oPHFmGtUGMpBOChYttUIhvgoD6/ywOZIim3MOL96EgJ4AVaGjiRVoOST6F9lO4StpQJI G1A4bpdfOubDuwck6T+P6HEp0ImTMeQZ1WFZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-vr-score:x-authority-analysis:x-cm-score :message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=2mG6w9OL1fSO2ALN3mCsBRIWwNfH44Kd1Gp3QTTGAphqGEDK+p3jtRhnOrfKS4qY+v SxOvm6K5o7AD2fttjVWumgjy/mngveToWpSlW71MiPPIOveT1h3NOzoPY/DI48wUFa7B VvCK0P17f/PBOte+RCnwbpe4OkVrKOEBeFLUg= Received: by 10.101.176.30 with SMTP id d30mr39696anp.9.1286589829551; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:03:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.185.34 with SMTP id m34ls389107anp.7.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.208.2 with SMTP id f2mr221541ang.32.1286589767746; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.208.2 with SMTP id f2mr221540ang.32.1286589767725; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id u5si1927850ana.8.2010.10.08.19.02.47; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.240.46; Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20101009020246.IBUU16482.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:02:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id GS2m1f00J3Xcbvq02S2m67; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:02:47 -0400 X-VR-Score: -100.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Of5FRk7D4fcJlrWbzxPvWNsT1UhKEYt7m7ky24PLP4c= c=1 sm=1 a=O9PGfAWoJ4AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=z9dUHXbHuR2ZHV28XK0A:9 a=-ssJRvInRs8ow6OQocTur1wfEBIA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4CAFCD2C.4090100@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:02:20 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] cmavo and the gismu like them References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.240.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 5:48 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >=20 >>{mo'a} is a rafsi for {morna}. >> >>mo'a too few digit/number: too few; subjective >> >>The following four gismu have the letters m-o-a in that order: >> >>mokca 'point' x1 is a point/instant/moment [0-dimensional shape/form] >>in/on/at time/place x2 >> >>mosra 'friction' x1 is friction [force opposing motion] due to >>contact/rubbing between x2 and x3 >> >>morna 'pattern' x1 is/reflects/represents a pattern of forms/events x2 >>arranged according to structure x3 >> >>smoka 'sock' x1 is a sock/stocking [flexible foot and lower leg garment] = of >>material x2 >=20 >=20 > I believe "mo'a" was half inspired by "mleca", but not all cmavo > necessarily have a gismu based source, some are more or less random. Actually, very few are "random" per se. There are huge swaths that were=20 inspired by particular gismu. Then there were some that were created to=20 form mnemonic sequences (e.g. numbers, ko'V, vo'V), where they were=20 constrained by what was still available. Probably only 50-100 cmavo or=20 fewer were assigned more or less randomly, because what was left offered=20 nothing at all mnemonic. I used pe'i, BTW, because all of the good words that could be tied to=20 jinvi were already assigned. Yes, it is probably malglico, but it=20 probably can still be mnemonically useful even for a non-English=20 speaker. (on the possibly faulty assumption that most opinions derive=20 from thinking about the subject being opined about %^). lojbab --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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