From lojban+bncCMPA7-ejFhC1gcDlBBoELNvpvQ@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 08 22:42:28 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4SCP-0003An-Jt; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:28 -0700 Received: by qwa26 with SMTP id 26sf499045qwa.16 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=95IuFlobtYqOH4tn6cFEq4+OoZWpeSeiCISVdgdd6sg=; b=mU2oKH3yRNwdKFvrsFEVMsnBRA/y3Q3yHDAJFxhfGgR6Brx8umanMO4ZHKBPyw7BMR fJF8PyPUMl0aJxwas3qJBuNZNTnsbNJbuTozOCoa8iUU/WYAIjELgq9SJJkOl0DPnJWt k617eeAsTXMxGqNYwvmD9xZyb7GijddgRwbrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ag0ioIcxjyMQZ1lB0hi81if88bFUn9NgGENxvrnpfFKfvJm/vsya9kWDPcrZJviq9Y B+9+1P9gOajXSFM0KTocG10y2DUPf6kIRN972b9xnvS0noovONsmaCq700FpAiE8mFk/ dxsGfTrlsbJTlpWpOiWd9nfy+KUrmAUpqzhyQ= Received: by 10.224.216.202 with SMTP id hj10mr80350qab.15.1286602933534; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.14.17 with SMTP id e17ls4790qaa.6.p; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.218.74 with SMTP id hp10mr742020qab.12.1286602932670; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.218.74 with SMTP id hp10mr742019qab.12.1286602932660; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n15si1813875qcu.3.2010.10.08.22.42.11; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.180; Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so1662754qyk.4 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.182.130 with SMTP id cc2mr2821733qcb.36.1286602931374; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.30.195 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:42:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CAFD045.5090601@lojban.org> References: <20101008173130.GA29534@alice.local> <90eb6726-ca64-466f-8d18-6ab3924fde26@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <4CAFD045.5090601@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 06:42:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: You're Doing it Wrong From: Brian Shannon To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@googlemail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the links! They should be very helpful. Incomplete, outdated, potehto, potahto. :D Actually, incomplete would be better than outdated for me. Since the vast majority of the text I'm reading is written pre-xorlo, I'll probably learn pre-xorlo much better than post-xorlo = sucks. Incomplete just means I'll have to learn somewhere else. So, to update my previous list CLL - outdated, dead (no activity for a year iirc) L4B - outdated, dead (hard to tell, hasn't been updated anyway) As for Lindar's new project, I'm not sure how this differs from other attempts (but I hope it does)... The best thing any lojbanist could do for people __who learn from books__ is to work on a __pre-existing__ project - which I intend to start before the end of the month. That said, I don't expect I'll do very well since I'm so new but it should be educational. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.