From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARDjwsPlBBoE_IDbzQ@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 09 14:41:06 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4hA7-0002IA-AY; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:41:06 -0700 Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4sf189221vws.16 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:40:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9HdhOB7f9nS0s4iaZYOZhIlZk9/b78m43FfDSsHHsPU=; b=apYdK1BzWJQsEEmx0wKNx/x/tqp2Io4Tm8Wbcnfs0GkdsBzusYAk/JjRbqm01ONZt/ NssuzcXbNsshc3r+nz6+BIsS6CHP52/AO0MkUflk1e8FJY1YTO1kgF5cZqWcmdKZ4+FB dA9F3+SFIyUvCXDCvxCHlYytJxvVGOGy3AbSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=nNNN0OtLYJ1nPRmphGCVvXMMolm0QuEgMhevQe72HmRv1BlAMhA++23bINx4qkqktC RvKaEJUFQU7ZH0PivkpnJej6x9v9ITbgrcTSlEdGWr8pNnXnCrFvpgZIgaSOpprm84iR suLflJ4r2/2bxOMA4uv2S/oD47b7rUgIH4VdA= Received: by 10.220.193.9 with SMTP id ds9mr117492vcb.5.1286660451617; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:40:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.191.205 with SMTP id dn13ls311510vcb.3.p; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.178.201 with SMTP id bn9mr857333vcb.8.1286660450805; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.178.201 with SMTP id bn9mr857332vcb.8.1286660450784; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com (mail-qy0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m16si834605vcr.2.2010.10.09.14.40.49; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.169; Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so1348380qyk.0 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:40:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.225.130 with SMTP id is2mr3441392qcb.263.1286660447349; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.92.2 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <82e4f805-b84d-4921-96a4-44f3217cd093@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> References: <201010081902.22934.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20101009152624.GA1918@alice.local> <82e4f805-b84d-4921-96a4-44f3217cd093@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:40:47 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630eb3de92bad049235fae3 --00163630eb3de92bad049235fae3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying that better, but I still cringe a bit at that. Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo? Also, a few more typos: {bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong. {ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti" Nice, by the way. mu'o mi'e latros. On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar wrote: > du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2" > > Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's > apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the > same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli, > which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar > trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would > probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." OSLT). > > So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00163630eb3de92bad049235fae3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways o= f saying that better, but I still cringe a bit at that.

= Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo?

Also, a few more typos:
{bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong= .
{ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti"

Nice, by the way.

mu'o mi= 9;e latros.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar = <lindartheb= ard@yahoo.com> wrote:
du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2"

Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but &quo= t;Jeff's
apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli,
which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar
trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} w= ould
probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." = OSLT).

So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri.

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