From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDf0MPlBBoEQtimUQ@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 09 15:10:53 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4hcw-0003n5-4q; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:10:53 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf762545gwj.16 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RJnbW9Re1GDYS6hhRVZlIsLN9qyOj33gDpIBGk9lOJ0=; b=bom6p11n85rD6p6pTLYQxxplY3RcJtUDH/h5FM1xEzTCD81Rpwy76pW6M+jU4vA8Jf VkHpAstG54l3T6XHhGw8zKAuoROTt64M7xG6TVsAvjEfJicphVCoZdPdE5tnFSpk0NeX x+T/hP79ibz4oj4VdjFQ84e5MoLKV6xnBncho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pi1b8VOhDDkKJJPW2c7DLrZMmwb9YnZiMxZPgSXfYLm3W19v5vvBA/fSqz0rGrO6YL GqGhwqDBymXMFVG/090YeBCvmfUj9rwTIGth1vpkzMRH2aGWYpyVpUdv2HcZxqzOdmG0 sXQVsjRWSyBM+NM15EuRs5I3D/8hcpXGnN2AE= Received: by 10.90.57.13 with SMTP id f13mr331055aga.39.1286662239343; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:10:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls1064148ibg.3.p; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.82 with SMTP id q18mr1205316ibx.11.1286662238695; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.82 with SMTP id q18mr1205315ibx.11.1286662238663; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e4si3201848ibc.4.2010.10.09.15.10.37; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by mail-iw0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 39so166087iwn.40 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:10:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.31.6 with SMTP id w6mr672034ibc.64.1286662237210; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 15:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 15:10:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010081902.22934.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20101009152624.GA1918@alice.local> <82e4f805-b84d-4921-96a4-44f3217cd093@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:10:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00221532c8f0984a77049236658e --00221532c8f0984a77049236658e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > ...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying that > better, but I still cringe a bit at that. > > Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo? > It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV words are cmavo. > Also, a few more typos: > {bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong. > {ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti" > > Nice, by the way. > > mu'o mi'e latros. > > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar wrote: > >> du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2" >> >> Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's >> apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the >> same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli, >> which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar >> trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would >> probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." OSLT). >> >> So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gm= ail.com> wrote:
...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways o= f saying that better, but I still cringe a bit at that.

= Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo?

It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV = words are cmavo.
=A0
Also, a few more typos:
{bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong= .
{ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti"

Nice, by the way.

mu'o mi= 9;e latros.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar = <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2"

Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but &quo= t;Jeff's
apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli,
which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar
trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} w= ould
probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." = OSLT).

So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri.

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