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"A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying that better, but I still cringe a bit at that. > > >Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo? It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV words are cmavo. Also, a few more typos: >{bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong. >{ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti" > > >Nice, by the way. > > >mu'o mi'e latros. > > >On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar wrote: > >du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2" >> >>Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's >>apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the >>same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli, >>which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar >>trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would >>probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." 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<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From: Jonathan Jones <eyeon= us@gmail.com>
To: lo= jban@googlegroups.com
Sent:= Sat, October 9, 2010 5:10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@= gmail.com> wrote:
...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying that = better, but I still cringe a bit at that.

Also, why IS {= du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo?

It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV words are cm= avo.
 
Also, a few more typos:
{bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong.
{ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti"

Nice, = by the way.

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar = <lindart= hebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2"

Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's
apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the
same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli,
which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar
trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would
probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." OSLT).

So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri.

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