From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC7-sPlBBoEZ15Hsw@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 09 16:39:55 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4j14-0008PD-7r; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:39:55 -0700 Received: by ywo7 with SMTP id 7sf1157972ywo.16 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:39:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Y4JbU7FKsWqpR+Jh4Rxm7hdF4o3ViVyxdJEENQQMNjI=; b=n6VHJR64daxJ7YZ9+TMq4kvP2YbKQ3aDkXOaqR89cZpHnNcYFjywGPJNbKonv7U2R1 2IFt7jvFExjFdX19dIjZonIPRaRtkXdajKWb04m9zGp5oNw7PlyqH9dDY1rLfA6+jEgT Xzso4ffLJIGwRJCcgjhqOLSUSPoAA97x3+5hk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ZDb6qXDgU4UijdC9A56Z2jB1K8f+Op8VmkVmp+i1MpCXOhsrzUK1TVbNfsFqC8LpoJ YgZ9Tipwmk+A1HxAnf7IOR6Dx7IxqYCVU+4M5OBpAF6vdoBg/FMTkur1JQvYHhVgEiR+ 2JqchV+H6D5oZC3UYm43QiGr+nz9ZNVmvDxfo= Received: by 10.90.5.17 with SMTP id 17mr333293age.21.1286667579232; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:39:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls1080141ibr.2.p; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr1233204ibd.4.1286667578477; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.140 with SMTP id t12mr1233203ibd.4.1286667578422; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com (mail-iw0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bm7si3112114ibb.6.2010.10.09.16.39.37; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by iwn40 with SMTP id 40so3209497iwn.11 for ; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:39:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.161.16 with SMTP id p16mr3650707ibx.61.1286667574390; Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Oct 2010 16:39:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <385524.50365.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <201010081902.22934.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20101009152624.GA1918@alice.local> <82e4f805-b84d-4921-96a4-44f3217cd093@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <385524.50365.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 17:39:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d35272b72ee5049237a362 --001636d35272b72ee5049237a362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:32 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > Any time you get tired of Lojlish for talking about Lojban, English is > still available and the technical jargons of linguistics, logic and > programming are relatively straightforward -- and adaptable. > Who are you talking to? > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jonathan Jones > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Sat, October 9, 2010 5:10:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo > > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> ...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying that >> better, but I still cringe a bit at that. >> >> Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo? >> > > It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV words are cmavo. > > >> Also, a few more typos: >> {bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong. >> {ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti" >> >> Nice, by the way. >> >> mu'o mi'e latros. >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar wrote: >> >>> du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2" >>> >>> Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's >>> apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the >>> same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli, >>> which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar >>> trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would >>> probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." OSLT). >>> >>> So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:32 PM, John E C= lifford <kali9= putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any time you get tired of Lojlish for= talking about Lojban, English is still available and the technical jargons= of linguistics, logic and programming are relatively straightforward -- an= d adaptable.

Who are you talking to?
=A0
From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 5:10= :37 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: = Learning cmavo

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways o= f saying that better, but I still cringe a bit at that.

= Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo?

It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV = words are cmavo.
=A0
Also, a few more typos:
{bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong= .
{ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti"

Nice, by the way.

mu'o mi= 9;e latros.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar = <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border= -left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2"

Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but &quo= t;Jeff's
apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli,
which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar
trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} w= ould
probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." = OSLT).

So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri.

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