People who display some problems dealing with the = technical terminology, unique to Lojban, for describing Lojban. It is= hard enough to learn a new language, without having to learn a new way of = talking about language, a way which will make sense only after you learn th= e language (if then). This manner of talking grew up, sometimes consc= iously, in response to JCB's habitual misuse of English to describe Loglan = ("metaphor" for tanru is the most infamous example). Somehow, the ide= a of using English correctly never seems to have gained any ground, but it = is still available when clarification is needed.

<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From: Jonathan Jones <eyeon= us@gmail.com>
To: lo= jban@googlegroups.com
Sent:= Sat, October 9, 2010 6:39:34 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:32 PM, John E C= lifford <kali9= putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Any time you get tired of Lojlish = for talking about Lojban, English is still available and the technical jarg= ons of linguistics, logic and programming are relatively straightforward --= and adaptable.

Who are you talking to?

From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 5:10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: L= earning cmavo

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@= gmail.com> wrote:

...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying that = better, but I still cringe a bit at that.

Also, why IS {= du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo?

It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV words are cm= avo.

Also, a few more typos:
{bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong.
{ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti"

Nice, = by the way.

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar = <lindart= hebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2"

Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's
apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the
same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli,
which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar
trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would
probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." OSLT).

So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri.

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