From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARD65cflBBoEvc2GAA@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 10 10:08:26 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P4zNm-0000Zb-Li; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:26 -0700 Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4sf1707846qwk.16 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=uVvTwXp3wxL22axNKwfQYnizPdN3y3/CBN8HiVndQVE=; b=A61GmMjmeBPIMkCTgwXRwHIqVptkmsjWq+Wwle/kYcD/MW0WYG34DpeU7RlSZHruX4 jJO/sTYeeH7MaFMTWYFFd2RkHmlWCr9fB3FyM2hh1cZJXpUzBTxrhGoPuQXPMbRgIjj4 DE3Nz+IpS3w34pWpM4SfvI0fbmWI05nslyPOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=fcah0pY1YEGqKJZk75gQ7PUpN8mIFUu2IgF/XuPqJ83BlOf7SX7Blp3AUdqVHk/vuu RE8b8WqATWYVdqlvMorLFW3JGgcUU5xjF5Z4pmHZllul79JXDoFQRM0SyXgFXXEAYDMT WHAev0E5eHHa8GvEKEgfZaWN/XiNQYY7WxOZ4= Received: by 10.229.43.73 with SMTP id v9mr194590qce.31.1286730490688; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.207.84 with SMTP id fx20ls584037qcb.0.p; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.95.206 with SMTP id e14mr836620qcn.28.1286730489954; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.95.206 with SMTP id e14mr836619qcn.28.1286730489916; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f178.google.com (mail-qy0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id mz6si2812290qcb.13.2010.10.10.10.08.08; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.178; Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so90812qyk.16 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.37.14 with SMTP id v14mr1023001qad.383.1286730488718; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.92.2 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:08:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201010081902.22934.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20101009152624.GA1918@alice.local> <82e4f805-b84d-4921-96a4-44f3217cd093@j18g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:08:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd341c2b3a62f0492464994 --000e0cd341c2b3a62f0492464994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know that, I meant why is the word that means what {du} means in GOhA and a cmavo? That is, why isn't it a gismu? mu'o mi'e latros. On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> ...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying that >> better, but I still cringe a bit at that. >> >> Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo? >> > > It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV words are cmavo. > > >> Also, a few more typos: >> {bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong. >> {ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti" >> >> Nice, by the way. >> >> mu'o mi'e latros. >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar wrote: >> >>> du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2" >>> >>> Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's >>> apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the >>> same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli, >>> which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar >>> trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would >>> probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." OSLT). >>> >>> So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd341c2b3a62f0492464994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know that, I meant why is the word that means what {du} means in GOhA and= a cmavo? That is, why isn't it a gismu?

mu'o mi= 'e latros.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 6:1= 0 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com= > wrote:
...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways o= f saying that better, but I still cringe a bit at that.

= Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo?

It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV = words are cmavo.
=A0
Also, a few more typos:
{bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong= .
{ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti"

Nice, by the way.

mu'o mi= 9;e latros.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar = <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2"

Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but &quo= t;Jeff's
apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli,
which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar
trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} w= ould
probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." = OSLT).

So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri.

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