Why is the word for the concept of identity not in= the class of basic words (those of form CVCCV or CCVC)? Well it usta= was; 'dunli' is the relict of that ancient time. But then the powers= that were notice that people generally used 'same' and even 'identical' to= mean something relative to some relevant property;. At the same time= , during one of the occasional thinking sprees about MEX, some one noted th= ey needed an word for '=3D' that fit in with that program. Soooo, eve= ntually the two concepts split, the practical, relative one going to a gism= u, the stricter, more mathematical, to something tha looked OK in formulae.= More or less.

From: = Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 12:08:08 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learnin= g cmavo

I know that, I meant why is the word that means what {du} means in GOhA and= a cmavo? That is, why isn't it a gismu?

mu'o mi'e latro= s.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jonath= an Jones <eyeonus@gm= ail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>= wrote:

...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying that = better, but I still cringe a bit at that.

Also, why IS {= du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo?

It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV words are cm= avo.

Also, a few more typos:
{bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong.
{ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti"

Nice, = by the way.

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar = <lindart= hebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2"

Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's
apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the
same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli,
which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar
trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would
probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." OSLT).

So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri.

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