From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDaktPlBBoEzAJ0ug@googlegroups.com Tue Oct 12 13:47:39 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5ll2-0004qD-Le; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:39 -0700 Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6sf1667440gxk.16 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1Wl7kOhV8yiZI0VMDmgRuHPWldrTug0vJXwiCoyWO2g=; b=qebueHjy8gd4pKeBCNH88bH7/mNIr1gsJUh70LTLk8k7PN3UrEm5SUsB1JX7YqxJYH e9shcFpeZFFOFMYi+wbmSWccf5mUUsHka/aAPxgZkkX+ebNZmjaQa7vXE5L0xg0Zfxc8 q6lTdg80OewdvodEXjU08l5LKOa6ldPLzqUMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=nhnhSd5EcmD8+/dfVmAKJGZRlxAyveE6fxtwj5HOclTHm1jpMVWC+Ahr1HYNjBzFpH 25JG4rikme02si/v+/m8kS03VGklCG1MTGC04/ACm7pwXq4hd+DOcitYAqdKYQfq29ZI qNrfDN+Vj8UqAgqcnRSCU07UvvdPr8/CFAhgs= Received: by 10.90.99.12 with SMTP id w12mr43058agb.23.1286916442569; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.55.74 with SMTP id t10ls257225ibg.3.p; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.192.73 with SMTP id dp9mr2159998ibb.16.1286916441878; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.192.73 with SMTP id dp9mr2159997ibb.16.1286916441842; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si1011260ibb.4.2010.10.12.13.47.20; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so8085957iwn.41 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.13.198 with SMTP id e6mr3357551ica.265.1286916439841; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:47:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] mei From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303dd91a409c6d049271957a --20cf303dd91a409c6d049271957a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Looking at http://vlasisku.lojban.org/mei I would guess that the x1 of {Xmei} would be a mass formed from a set (x2) whose X members are (x3). But then I look at http://vlasisku.lojban.org/cimei and it says that x1 is a set. So if I talk about {lo cimei gerku cu batci lo mripre} am I saying that as a mass, the three dogs bit the mailman or am I saying that the set of three dogs bites the mailman? I forget some of the differences between sets and masses. I think if a set of 3 things does a thing then all 3 must have done it individually where as long as 1 of a mass of 3 does a thing then the entire mass has done it. So there is certainly a difference in meaning. So which is it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf303dd91a409c6d049271957a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking at=A0http://vlasisku.loj= ban.org/mei=A0I would guess that the x1 of {Xmei} would be a mass forme= d from a set (x2) whose X members are (x3).

But then I l= ook at=A0http://vlasisku.lojban.= org/cimei=A0and it says that x1 is a set. =A0So if I talk about {lo cim= ei gerku cu batci lo mripre} am I saying that as a mass, the three dogs bit= the mailman or am I saying that the set of three dogs bites the mailman?= =A0

I forget some of the differences between sets and masse= s. =A0I think if a set of 3 things does a thing then all 3 must have done i= t individually where as long as 1 of a mass of 3 does a thing then the enti= re mass has done it. =A0So there is certainly a difference in meaning.

So which is it?

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