From lojban+bncCJrK5PGGEBDr1NXlBBoEu6Vlyg@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 13 01:14:52 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5wU5-0000gW-2d; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:14:52 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf1434865wwe.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:14:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:from:organization :to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :x-interia-antivirus:x-emid:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=zBomB9Mlns2fxkQZ4gpsGArfn7X9sAnRq8f8CCbKjEM=; b=Ch5KTYvMvDcn/6bcZCf+W+jcflLvViiWeAa7s5kLL/Zvyn8qJ6fZ9KmQQQr+ufqOQJ y+1PYYSszHXhYC4Kuq2lGcGIVozTmJW4eLJcUYy4XCA0QZp4jafje3DBTxkhgawthoUA Inc9+IRnnAI4TeFgmWoVAHK2pnimAatx5OscM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:organization:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:x-interia-antivirus:x-emid :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; b=tcODbjUJ6iNgFwAnw3f6XmVk9cVljYsAtLcqptLBQs7GeLIwi/1Q3uktz+z7Glh3bp YCLv5culWFoXs9i3FstTfJOTtc+BbG5T+D9wqVemj/jalvltC8lQRZPuxzIaW8oAfLFC rA8DKii4FM3rB9r1ggepM69eB8WRKWCGe3NjA= Received: by 10.216.237.83 with SMTP id x61mr1044595weq.3.1286957675959; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:14:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.25.20 with SMTP id y20ls46398eey.1.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.134 with SMTP id d6mr1259138eei.2.1286957673931; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.134 with SMTP id d6mr1259137eei.2.1286957673884; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.205]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x41si2480731eeh.7.2010.10.13.01.14.33; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 01:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=217.74.65.205; Received: by smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL, from userid 502) id 212C9BE51A; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:14:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zx-spectrum-1 (c204.idd156.nettete.pl [77.79.204.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:14:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jezuch by zx-spectrum-1 with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P5waQ-0003CH-LD for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:21:23 +0200 From: Krzysztof Sobolewski Organization: Sobole To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Challenging pronunciation Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:21:18 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.36-rc7; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <411619.6727.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2565586.4T5Ox7lJFc"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201010131021.22518.jezuch@interia.pl> X-Interia-Antivirus: OK X-EMID: 18048acc X-Original-Sender: jezuch@interia.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jezuch@interia.pl designates 217.74.65.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jezuch@interia.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , --nextPart2565586.4T5Ox7lJFc Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dnia =C5=9Broda, 13 pa=C5=BAdziernika 2010 o 05:21:04 MorphemeAddict napisa= =C5=82(a): > How do Poles learn to say English or German 'h'? Do it the same way.=20 Is there any other 'h' in those languages? German has "ch" as in "ich", but= that's very different and is taught explicitly, and Polish "h" does fine a= s either English or German "h", so there's no special attention given it. O= r at least I don't remember anything like that (I tried to learn German for= three years ;) ). It might be better luck with French, as everyone knows i= ts "h" is bizarre and ridiculous ;) =2D-=20 Ecce Jezuch "I'm a search light soul they say But I can't see it in the night I'm only faking when I get it right Cause I fell on black days" - C. Cornell --nextPart2565586.4T5Ox7lJFc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAky1a/8ACgkQy0fq9RM+TxgtcgCgkR3RxHajQF5daZeWqUKPxCs7 hH8An2bBrgkYs1b7oICu7WzNa1V5+bFC =wEiK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2565586.4T5Ox7lJFc--