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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] Challenging pronunciation To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 206.190.56.23 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how do you want this thing exported? =A0I assume that you're saying you wan= t to be=20 able to see the difference as well means that exporting an mp3 won't work? = =A0I'm=20 not very familiar with audacity. Ogg files, sent directly to the=A0lojban-pl list=A0will do.=A0 But Audacity= will allow=20 you=20 to graphically=A0compare=A0the sound=20 frequencies.=A0 When I recorded words with {x} and {"} which I had thought = I did=20 quite=20 well, I was surprised to see there was almost no difference in the frequenc= y=20 patterns. Audacity is easy to get and easy to use (even for me!). http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ totus On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > >coi ro do >> >>In preparing Polish-language training materials, >>we want to demonstrate ( as opposed to just >>'talk about') the difference between {x} and {'}. >> >>It would be really useful to get some contributions >>to=A0our undrestanding of the =A0pronunciation using real words. >> >>So we would like to invite as many lojbanists as >>possible to record and mail: >> >>{trixexo} and {trixe'o}. >> >>Please use Audacity (free and downloadable) so >>we can compare the visual patterns as well as the >>sounds. >> >>ki'e >> >>totus >> >>-- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >>"lojban" group. >>To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >>lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>For more options, visit this group at=20 >>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >> >--=20 >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"lojban" group. >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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