From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD86dblBBoEt0zN3Q@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 13 06:33:02 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P61Ry-0007aP-LB; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:33:01 -0700 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf798338wye.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:32:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=f7qkrpe3mvc/z9nNZMH60ek0ixuVfH4h5A+tLU+2i94=; b=GqZx7y1YSpFKgE5DVWgD18KkX0woCjvgb9o2RV1W0/kjN0LzQ53M/qpX7CA949KsqA 7eDthqyl+c3ONEjAjusb9qlpC6BoFEQRzrcVI/5A1VYYPOnTQaqnWiB/q8KxHgdwmqHe 8Wg+Gjd1lL38j7pWzb6brg1zLny1cOZ6ACjrk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=NKwKzKWZwFUe1d9j88OnSbXoQhWtqJ2o31vGvRyvDlze3/qBauxcm4kNbrn9DzX57h wmVCDPbSrqY9qSW0CWg+0gteHUO62QO89MoAcsDAy/Ykb9UMp4JZkJegpmnmHMURCWao AcYdNVXPg5SCBvjTswNSrxU18CC7CZnwHJmeI= Received: by 10.216.235.7 with SMTP id t7mr95168weq.0.1286976764622; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:32:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.213.1 with SMTP id z1ls492481weo.1.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.20.141 with SMTP id p13mr19314wep.11.1286976762481; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.20.141 with SMTP id p13mr19313wep.11.1286976762461; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m20si1114025weq.11.2010.10.13.06.32.41; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by mail-ww0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 20so3970535wwd.6 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:32:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.142.198 with SMTP id r6mr8780988wbu.9.1286976760141; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:32:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:32:40 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Oh gods more debating. (This time about {ni}!) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Lindar wrote: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+Aristotelean+Abstractors&no_bl=y > > At the bottom please. > > You may thank me with money, worship, or both. > =D > > (Let me know what you think.) So which version of "ni" do you favor? There are two versions, in one of them "lo ni ..." is like "lo klani", in the other version it's like "lo se klani". I see some confusion about the function of "ce'u" in that discussion. To check whether you are getting "ce'u" right, a good test is to put your "abstraction" in the x3 of "frica": ti ta frica lo ka/ni .... ce'u ..." "ce'u" marks the slot reserved for "ti" and "ta". So for example: ti ta frica lo ka ce'u ciska makau "This one differs from that one in what they write." ti ta frica lo ka makau ciska ce'u "This one differs from that one in who wrote them." ti ta frica lo ka ce'u ciska xokau da "This one differs from that one in how many things they write." ti ta frica lo ka xokau da ciska ce'u "This one differs from that one in how many people wrote them." ti ta frica lo ka ce'u ciska sela'u makau "This one differs from that one in how much of a writer they are." ti ta frica lo ka ciska ce'u sela'u makau "This one differs from that one in how much of a written thing they are." mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.