From lojban+bncCKX4j8OYARCgk9jlBBoE92033w@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 13 12:34:08 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P675P-0002zo-Ve; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:34:07 -0700 Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4sf7419059qwk.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:33:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/mnW77QI60CattoIMH2WjNbE+zflyj8GhoWQozeopgA=; b=vla0Bg0Og0OvHVTd4HlnztAs2Dzpl3Kl9w7q8mqiXHN5v2/qnYm/4oT9Kocn5H5QkM 26GMsZ0zx1IVUE5WYsXLwVvWB4sS151PnsjrSV6Ex9faMAeIsh0swh9dD6DFkZoyR0q9 NcQScEy98rsMH52f3mx8ha/KjFpZ9ihY+EZxI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BHaSRZAp380B3XGEpgddPtt/9NA4KWBexEWLKuMsOujwpOJHpJ8EWXVF+w778Jh2EX rS3XXjASgCNp/VIxjW9cPlskQ7g1a4VUHlOEhyn9Bd2B2QkiKeoqScZgJVl51JlheSEE zf2LBmuM8SiksRbQ5JobH8RDvLDyLq5anNnd0= Received: by 10.229.127.151 with SMTP id g23mr339452qcs.46.1286998432114; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.68.65 with SMTP id u1ls152172qai.6.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.203.132 with SMTP id fi4mr1804468qab.20.1286998430543; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:33:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.203.74 with SMTP id fh10mr459472qab.2.1286955885747; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by s19g2000vbr.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:44:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 83.21.26.98 References: <411619.6727.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; pl-PL; rv:1.9.2.10) Gecko/20100915 Ubuntu/10.04 (lucid) Firefox/3.6.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <1bf0a668-1bf0-44da-bbfc-5533b354497b@s19g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Challenging pronunciation From: Balon_ To: lojban X-Original-Sender: balon000@o2.pl Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In English or German is not needed to know how to say different form of "h". Poles just say polish "ch" (pronounced in different polish dialects [x] or [h]) They simple says polish "ch". Using [x] or [h] has not negative affect on understanding english/german. In Lojban is important to sayning and hearning difference betwen x ([x]) and '([h]). Is very hard for Poles because modern polish language consider "h" and "x" as one identical sound. On 13 Pa=C5=BA, 05:21, MorphemeAddict wrote: > How do Poles learn to say English or German 'h'? Do it the same way. > > stevo > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > coi ro do > > > In preparing Polish-language training materials, > > we want to demonstrate ( as opposed to just > > 'talk about') the difference between {x} and {'}. > > > It would be really useful to get some contributions > > to our undrestanding of the =C2=A0pronunciation using real words. > > > So we would like to invite as many lojbanists as > > possible to record and mail: > > > {trixexo} and {trixe'o}. > > > Please use Audacity (free and downloadable) so > > we can compare the visual patterns as well as the > > sounds. > > > ki'e > > > totus > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.