From lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCmpNjlBBoEkTqe-w@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 13 13:10:35 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P67ee-0005GV-Jd; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:35 -0700 Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16sf675959fxm.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=GcyTuDH7OYZ0TErBYB2GPY3wU9n+4P4fwT5ak5JHe+0=; b=G/Wi2tSFjLf2jvJ4ha5bVZwhQSXAvgFnBmdMn3fzUJCbL94GEeC2sVdMf/2cP3RdPh FeYDgeMljXf4X7hgtI0BmUUKLeSO1eEi+UOLtWlehYVbgZ4UJB8nM4bb0+mdmalMFUkl 4tYuBQIBc6H8Zt8V+7HKXG51Rk4FtSCEl3C70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=yk7cCUQKXr3O5geimVvD9V6TwyI+ZcqftUMGLMsGycrmaCl5vCGSYpCiCoPFG6T6BA kZVZkra/ODpunTztVPpY79gGWnn609fnRI8u62vwHxsWLRX7JvIxh1VCcLZzH7g2TLJm dvmp/uPfI2hK0aF0xFf9DqXnD7jV3Das++iNs= Received: by 10.223.91.139 with SMTP id n11mr242545fam.20.1287000614538; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.29.18 with SMTP id o18ls670712bkc.3.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.82.140 with SMTP id b12mr435366bkl.5.1287000613766; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.82.140 with SMTP id b12mr435365bkl.5.1287000613707; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g12si5015927bkl.1.2010.10.13.13.10.12; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.54; Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so3866466fxm.27 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.184.202 with SMTP id z10mr568689hbg.208.1287000612395; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:10:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.151.194 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:09:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010131021.22518.jezuch@interia.pl> References: <411619.6727.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201010131021.22518.jezuch@interia.pl> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:09:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Challenging pronunciation To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f90e2053da410492852e43 --001485f90e2053da410492852e43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable French has only a written "h", no spoken one. Russians use [x] for English [h] too. Very distinctive accent. stevo On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Krzysztof Sobolewski wr= ote: > Dnia =B6roda, 13 pa=BCdziernika 2010 o 05:21:04 MorphemeAddict napisa=B3(= a): > > How do Poles learn to say English or German 'h'? Do it the same way. > > Is there any other 'h' in those languages? German has "ch" as in "ich", b= ut > that's very different and is taught explicitly, and Polish "h" does fine = as > either English or German "h", so there's no special attention given it. O= r > at least I don't remember anything like that (I tried to learn German for > three years ;) ). It might be better luck with French, as everyone knows = its > "h" is bizarre and ridiculous ;) > -- > Ecce Jezuch > "I'm a search light soul they say > But I can't see it in the night > I'm only faking when I get it right > Cause I fell on black days" - C. Cornell > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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French has only a written "h", no spoken one.
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Russians use [x] for English [h] too. Very distinctive accent.
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stevo

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Krzysztof Sobol= ewski <jezuch@int= eria.pl> wrote:
Dnia =B6roda, 13 pa=BCdziernika = 2010 o 05:21:04 MorphemeAddict napisa=B3(a):
> How do Poles learn to say English or German 'h&#= 39;? Do it the same way.

Is there any other 'h' in tho= se languages? German has "ch" as in "ich", but that'= ;s very different and is taught explicitly, and Polish "h" does f= ine as either English or German "h", so there's no special at= tention given it. Or at least I don't remember anything like that (I tr= ied to learn German for three years ;) ). It might be better luck with Fren= ch, as everyone knows its "h" is bizarre and ridiculous ;)
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Ecce Jezuch
"I'm a search light s= oul they say
But I can't see it in the night
I'm only faking = when I get it right
Cause I fell on black days" - C. Cornell

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