From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhC4sNjlBBoEqyuBLQ@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 13 13:36:24 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P683g-000700-Iw; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:36:24 -0700 Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4sf2287078vws.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:36:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1NgijRA9cceOyG5B2BRXWbaMmp36w6yObyjm1E8YTAQ=; b=0VmjPAAwI6xH9Wag0tw11Zx2ijrRw41gH6W90yRIYjUCGEX+gG/gPmM7zVY4c7R3kc PdvgXFCK6Ctj3V7huJ/VohPRdLyczRNazxY3OGLFPQYU4sj6WsW9Tu9AjZcRQEIpOmPw CEBLUw4rCf60W2I8vNKcVDFdhMc635YlBlOeI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jo+Gd+RehuI7wGcFgJYtsPS8MH3RekIu5/RO8LSqBDtmhi9sRhiMLLL0bapfwTL3t8 0RR8i+QipoIkTovuW9dwZzrxTXzwSqm7++QmkwnCJD+s3YbQn+aXFey0kto+tHSuIg2J g23ydI3hiRhY6eGBByStAcZ+b3nG+PfmbSi7w= Received: by 10.220.185.139 with SMTP id co11mr324845vcb.35.1287002168022; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.160.2 with SMTP id l2ls235718vcx.4.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.201 with SMTP id cx9mr345327vcb.23.1287002167120; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.187.201 with SMTP id cx9mr345326vcb.23.1287002167084; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f50.google.com (mail-qw0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k23si1406555vcr.14.2010.10.13.13.36.06; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.50; Received: by qwi2 with SMTP id 2so1914841qwi.23 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:36:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.183.21 with SMTP id ce21mr6677340qcb.197.1287002154149; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.89.67 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <411619.6727.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201010131021.22518.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:35:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Challenging pronunciation From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can attest to that. I go to a synagogue with a very large Russian immigrant contingent. Like lojban, Hebrew has both phonemes and they are (what's the linguistic word for "makes a significant difference?" I'm drawing a blank here). Many of the congregants have trouble making the sounds distinct. --gejyspa 2010/10/13 MorphemeAddict : > French has only a written "h", no spoken one. > > Russians use [x] for English [h] too. Very distinctive accent. > > stevo > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Krzysztof Sobolewski > wrote: >> >> Dnia =B6roda, 13 pa=BCdziernika 2010 o 05:21:04 MorphemeAddict napisa=B3= (a): >> > How do Poles learn to say English or German 'h'? Do it the same way. >> >> Is there any other 'h' in those languages? German has "ch" as in "ich", >> but that's very different and is taught explicitly, and Polish "h" does = fine >> as either English or German "h", so there's no special attention given i= t. >> Or at least I don't remember anything like that (I tried to learn German= for >> three years ;) ). It might be better luck with French, as everyone knows= its >> "h" is bizarre and ridiculous ;) >> -- >> Ecce Jezuch >> "I'm a search light soul they say >> But I can't see it in the night >> I'm only faking when I get it right >> Cause I fell on black days" - C. Cornell > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.