From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDOydnlBBoEk05J3A@googlegroups.com Wed Oct 13 19:03:10 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6D9v-0007ZR-GD; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:03:10 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf1948476wwe.16 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:03:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=70xGqdM0DSJ4Rnh5oJ2GvUsHGtnBQiQr6tb7VJvgiBI=; b=X4SZULXaGE6uNXNgwWTfBH5jx4dlZ23zStsKHjI0CmZSHub4Ssj+/Jh9RNaP8u5cIM 0954oSX6N4LWkM0D/rDkpTxL4tcCEv+urSwIRddFGgV5LMrO2rvIuAtqpP+2ymGyL7Wo pXj5cSFwUhx2Mq+rRh1q3rYf7+KhaBFmO2h/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tU+LCRZmPlrmojnBMr33Q0vg7ubgh/LI2BsPOAvGuqLWBfL6k5c/s4bBQNX/uhzAqP j4dKUPX7DhngIiLcY/P9nzzGaLTwsFipYoLp6SOjJXqDbH8GwMyIgvxzh0iC75WARgEU WtyZ6oPK2r5T+aPxV1waoFu/imWEWOwfiFulw= Received: by 10.216.237.9 with SMTP id x9mr1531444weq.26.1287021774119; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:02:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.3.19 with SMTP id 19ls625670wbl.3.p; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.29.217 with SMTP id r25mr328852wbc.6.1287021772924; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.29.217 with SMTP id r25mr328851wbc.6.1287021772843; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ep20si733099wbb.7.2010.10.13.19.02.51; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by wwd20 with SMTP id 20so4783315wwd.6 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:02:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.127.84 with SMTP id f20mr9424934wbs.3.1287021771621; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:02:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:02:51 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] si and quotes From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > So, I understand what happens with zo si si si. With the PEG grammar you only use one "si" to delete the whole "zo si", and there is no way to delete the quoted word alone. This is because magic words work on a "first come first served" basis, and once a word has been quoted with "zo" they form an inseparable unit. "Magic words" are ZO, ZEI, BU, SI, SA, SU, LOhU-LEhU and ZOI. The peculiarity of these words is that they see all other words as just words, they don't care what selma'o they belong to, they treat them all the same. And once they've grabbed them they won't let them go, so essentially they form a compound that behaves like a single word. > But what happens if I say > {.i mi cusku lu mi nelci lo xunre li'u si gerk li'u}.=A0 Does the si > successfully "take back" the first li'u such that the "gerku" is still pa= rt > of the quote? Yes. "lu" and "li'u" behave like ordinary words. They do care what selma'o the words they have dealings with belong to. But in "lo'u si si si si si si si le'u si", all the "si" inside lo'u-le'u are deactivated (because lo'u came first and treats anything until "le'u" as just-a-word, it doesn't care what word it is. But then the whole construction "lo'u si si si si si si si le'u" is now a single entity and the final "si" can take revenge and delete it all in one swoop. Similarly a single "si" is enough to delete "broda zei brode" just as it deletes "brodybrode", and it will delete ".abu" just as it deletes "by". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.