From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDYmtzlBBoEE1ql9g@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 07:02:23 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6ONp-0001Dq-Ir; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:02:22 -0700 Received: by ywo7 with SMTP id 7sf3283498ywo.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:02:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lxqx6KAE9lp7PEQTrne6RHg4ffnk01uk8w9J1iooego=; b=ZGDwGnGa+AIGO0dfArDFqnQ07V6LlBGm2DgrQPDN+/sbv1jmtYsn4VdMmFm9QEZck5 XZENRMoJ2DYROgrVMNPb4asAzGv9jOJRpB2kfBb9BQxnX+y3zucGBbJbw+Ra3/plQyfj EYgS1qYFFNsQQwmJJgkkiK/XZsCxqR9Gj6KV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=lZ4SPB0I5Gwu6jOcX9QsGF+E1VWveQ8LKYzWqu04nzbGSoA4EIWUWyqg9WxGBhSyqE SuHltQECXK6qP43W3U3KTLy+1wypwEyweEIipIpf3has5hMw/5/1pfFV2HDO4f41bt7/ P7r4zgVali9qsTmwgwHhQ5rSNxrAdZoh6Z/Gk= Received: by 10.90.35.11 with SMTP id i11mr260947agi.13.1287064920101; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:02:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.180.73 with SMTP id bt9ls1519803ibb.0.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.78 with SMTP id q14mr3542076ibx.10.1287064918273; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.78 with SMTP id q14mr3542024ibx.10.1287064915134; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f179.google.com (mail-iw0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si2455553ibb.0.2010.10.14.07.01.54; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.179; Received: by iwn7 with SMTP id 7so2310500iwn.10 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:01:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.13.201 with SMTP id d9mr8457357iba.152.1287064913937; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:01:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] si and quotes From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000325575fdeff8fa00492942641 --000325575fdeff8fa00492942641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmm, yeah, that's a good question. I don't know if anyone has formally worked out lo'ai sa'ai le'ai. Maybe I should learn PEG and write up a proposed formal definition. How does the grammar treat to ... toi? I woul= d think that lo'ai sa'ai le'ai would have a similar structure. I see it as a metalinguistic comment about previous statements. I'm guessing that it would probably be too complex to have the grammar go back and make the actual substitutions. And it could cause problems if one did something like ".ui mi nelci lo selsa'a beme'e lu zo si si si li'u" which, I'm not sure how that would behave. zo si si gets negated and then the third si kills lu then another zo si si kills itself and another third si kills me'e. 2010/10/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > Well... I guess it could work... it would just bite into whatever came > > before the song. It goes: > > zo si si si zo si si si > > lo'ai sa'ai le'ai > > zo si si si zo si si si > > lo'ai sa'ai le'ai > > re kanla sa > > re kanla .e lo rebla co'e sa > > re kanla sa > > re kanla .e lo rebla co'e su > > I forget who invented it but I first heard about it from selkik ages ag= o > > when I asked how zo interacted with si > > Oh, so it uses all kinds of unofficial stuff. Not a problem then, it's > almost in a different language. :) > > A "si" at the beginning of text is allowed, so the only question is > whether something from the first "lo'ai sa'ai le'ai" gets deleted or > not. has anybody ever worked out the formal grammar rules for "lo'ai > sa'ai le'ai"? I remember there being talk about it, but I don't > remember any conclusions. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --000325575fdeff8fa00492942641 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmm, yeah, that's a good question. =A0I don't know if anyone has fo= rmally worked out lo'ai sa'ai le'ai. =A0Maybe I should learn PE= G and write up a proposed formal definition. =A0How does the grammar treat = to ... toi? =A0I would think that lo'ai sa'ai le'ai would have = a similar structure. I see it as a metalinguistic comment about previous st= atements. =A0I'm guessing that it would probably be too complex to have= the grammar go back and make the actual substitutions.

And it could cause problems if one did something like "= .ui mi nelci lo selsa'a beme'e lu zo si si si li'u" which,= I'm not sure how that would behave. =A0zo si si gets negated and then = the third si kills lu then another zo si si kills itself and another third = si kills me'e.

2010/10/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com><= /span>
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well... I guess it could work... it would just bite into whatever came=
> before the song. =A0It goes:
> zo si si si =A0=A0zo si si si
> lo'ai sa'ai le'ai
> zo si si si =A0=A0zo si si si
> lo'ai sa'ai le'ai
> re kanla sa
> re kanla .e lo rebla co'e sa
> re kanla sa
> re kanla .e lo rebla co'e su
> I forget who invented it but I first heard about it from selkik ages a= go
> when I asked how zo interacted with si

Oh, so it uses all kinds of unofficial stuff. Not a problem then, it&= #39;s
almost in a different language. :)

A "si" at the beginning of text is allowed, so the only question = is
whether something from the first "lo'ai sa'ai le'ai" = gets deleted or
not. has anybody ever worked out the formal grammar rules for "lo'= ai
sa'ai le'ai"? I remember there being talk about it, but I don&= #39;t
remember any conclusions.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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