From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDoy9zlBBoEoW4RNA@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 08:47:05 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6Q1F-0005nH-73; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:47:05 -0700 Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1sf1776880yxe.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:mime-version :received:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QxIOKmifBKlUr+H//X/Bwb1BEe+M/fd/6AEtPAIMVGY=; b=yjqjiyg6UW+K/GlurvXKTzotQmgTEkBXHWnkRxsqqsikRKI+RT3Fx7H5iFSmug2N3h Kb+J7QrqhVfafH5/illvkxpoWYfKfzRUllzLMZ+ZC1RBhM8VlYCkltsmmaGntsjYMOkg 7Rg4Zm1CuAI1Nipjz5QlvvVlA4LHLOPD9L6qE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=4VA/WxR8625b1gY0jfa6by4XcLT3k0RC6D+lCjSIi1+6KO5PcUG0raowtzbRIWIH/f kLwDq2V0eW5+JA/wjH84zASQPdcXHLCtuy/yHJAy4Rm/o+mm17NJLrNaihysk8KEYzOA Ij8OINN1hgp3l0fICPdSeiqlo4guXGTQCpVQY= Received: by 10.90.35.11 with SMTP id i11mr286329agi.13.1287071208878; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.112.41 with SMTP id u41ls1626705ibp.1.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.223.6 with SMTP id v6mr3304569wfg.66.1287071204963; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.223.6 with SMTP id v6mr3304568wfg.66.1287071204905; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n6si7389242wfl.3.2010.10.14.08.46.43; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6Q0w-0005mv-PX for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:42 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6Q0s-0005mc-5d for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:42 -0700 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so8553764iwn.40 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.167.130 with SMTP id q2mr8503773iby.163.1287071197567; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101014012330.GS24066@digitalkingdom.org> <912647ad-7dcf-4de6-86d8-9df0e974973a@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com> <4CB71879.3060409@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:46:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: A friggin' proposal. From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0050450143dd881bd30492959d91 --0050450143dd881bd30492959d91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .ieru'e doi xorxes .i pe'i lo nu pilno lo bangu cu traji vajni .iku'i la lojbab cu drani cusku lo du'u lo nu skicu lo bangu cu vajni .iku'i ma tadji lo nu skicu lo bangu va'o lo nu noda pilno lo bangu doi lojbab .i mi na kakne lo nu skicu da va'o lo nu da milxe po'o zasti Also, yeah, the best point that anybody has made in this thread is that the topic OF this thread is way beyond the scope of the beginners list. CCing the main lojban-list. Please follow up on that list henceforth doi jbodau 2010/10/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Bob LeChevalier, President and > Founder - LLG wrote: > > Theodore Reed wrote: > >> > >> 13:27 < treed> I'm past wanting to tinker with the language. I'd like = to > >> just be able to use it and not have to worry that some asshat's going = to > >> come along and dick with my shit. > > ma fanta lo nu do ca'a go'i .i xu lo do kalci cu tai ruble ja'e lo nu > na kakne lo nu ri bandu ri lo nu gunta fa lo pinji > > >> 13:28 < treed> If it weren't for outstanding broken bullshit, I'd just > >> suggest that we declare the time for tinkering over. > >> 13:29 < treed> And ignore the tinkerers henceforth. > > do nau zifre lo nu toljundi lo tiknei .i do na nitcu lo nu lo drata cu > curmi .i .e'e ko zukte fi'o mapti lo se krici be do > > > We did declare the time for tinkering over. Back in 1997 wen CLL came > out. > > It became the current language baseline. > > .i ku'i ui nai co'a la'e di'u do ji'i no roi pilno lo bangu > > > I have been saying the above since then. xorlo was approved anyway. > > .i .au do cusku bau lo jbobau .e nai lo glibau .i li'a no da jundi lo > se cusku be bau lo glibau zo'o > > > Unfortunately, the tinkerers have a different concept of what constitut= es > > "outstanding broken bullshit" than you and I do. Because we haven't > gotten > > the BYFY project done, we can't redeclare the baseline, and the proposa= ls > > keep coming. > > da poi punji lo tutci lo jarco canko gi'e manci catlu ty gi'e no roi > pilno ty cu na se vajni lo du'u xu kau lo tutci cu xamgu banzu lo nu > pilno .i da poi ca'a pilno lo tutci cu djica lo nu cikre kei ca lo nu > da jinvi lo du'u ty na xamgu banzu > > > We really have to finish defining the current language. Then decide if > > anything is broken enough to be worth fixing. Then fix it and be done. > > ma'a noi vasru ba'e do cu nitcu lo nu pilno lo bangu .i ro drata cu > mleca la'e di'u lo ka vajni > > > Then the tinkerers can be successfully ignored. > > do djica u'i > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0050450143dd881bd30492959d91 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .ieru'e doi xorxes .i pe'i lo nu pilno lo bangu cu traji vajni .iku= 'i la lojbab cu drani cusku lo du'u lo nu skicu lo bangu cu vajni .= iku'i ma tadji lo nu skicu lo bangu va'o lo nu noda pilno lo bangu = doi lojbab .i mi na kakne lo nu skicu da va'o lo nu da milxe po'o z= asti

Also, yeah, the best point that anybody has made in this thr= ead is that the topic OF this thread is way beyond the scope of the beginne= rs list.

CCing the main lojban-list. =A0Please fol= low up on that list henceforth doi jbodau

2010/10/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com><= /span>
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Bob LeChevalier, Presid= ent and
Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
> Theodore Reed wrote:
>>
>> 13:27 < treed> I'm past wanting to tinker with the langu= age. I'd like to
>> just be able to use it and not have to worry that some asshat'= s going to
>> come along and dick with my shit.

ma fanta lo nu do ca'a go'i .i xu lo do kalci cu tai ruble ja= 'e lo nu
na kakne lo nu ri bandu ri lo nu gunta fa lo pinji

>> 13:28 < treed> If it weren't for outstanding broken bull= shit, I'd just
>> suggest that we declare the time for tinkering over.
>> 13:29 < treed> And ignore the tinkerers henceforth.

do nau zifre lo nu toljundi lo tiknei .i do na nitcu lo nu lo drata c= u
curmi .i .e'e ko zukte fi'o mapti lo se krici be do

> We did declare the time for tinkering over. =A0Back in 1997 wen CLL ca= me out.
> =A0It became the current language baseline.

.i ku'i ui nai co'a la'e di'u do ji'i no roi piln= o lo bangu

> I have been saying the above since then. =A0xorlo was approved anyway.=

.i .au do cusku bau lo jbobau .e nai lo glibau .i li'a no da jund= i lo
se cusku be bau lo glibau zo'o

> Unfortunately, the tinkerers have a different concept of what constitu= tes
> "outstanding broken bullshit" than you and I do. =A0Because = we haven't gotten
> the BYFY project done, we can't redeclare the baseline, and the pr= oposals
> keep coming.

da poi punji lo tutci lo jarco canko gi'e manci catlu ty gi'e= no roi
pilno ty cu na se vajni lo du'u xu kau lo tutci cu xamgu banzu lo nu pilno .i da poi ca'a pilno lo tutci cu djica lo nu cikre kei ca lo nu da jinvi lo du'u ty na xamgu banzu

> We really have to finish defining the current language. =A0Then decide= if
> anything is broken enough to be worth fixing. =A0Then fix it and be do= ne.

ma'a noi vasru ba'e do cu nitcu lo nu pilno lo bangu .i ro dr= ata cu
mleca la'e di'u lo ka vajni

> Then the tinkerers can be successfully ignored.

do djica u'i

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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