From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDb3t3lBBoEcz26bQ@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 14:00:26 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6UuV-0007V9-EM; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:26 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf4303pvc.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:mime-version :received:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=80YfLcnHlJR23ib9DIGm/AcRLZmdRUqA0JdnKG2mq6k=; b=qNe+JoojnyjXSENeb5T0tp5Z0jOl1DAt8nLvJ7SbtKzL4v6LtEO0mLUPMTM4ZwSMKu mi4HjySrAAaBhYsppGj6tLG2vEwGOWb3G0RyX8KXHWC4T3OCWcZ8u8BxHIzOkMNK03RV DqJgvejU7k9wUw/hSYTHEv1APMyIxdmK5wFpc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rGVzF9zQvt3EIGWl7jej3D/pTrbB/c9bnwwE/q6abHV9IbsAXqWh1PiQhUE0rgYNvt X3GGD98jBsqAhfCUtulECwQwNZ2Jn9EsyB/n0L94ZPZrRplO/ORacX+uuVzANWdfLZAP Wb+pVT687H/LICGdY/kIfKIkOUKDQWGSZ6kPw= Received: by 10.142.248.35 with SMTP id v35mr545748wfh.69.1287090011869; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.194.14 with SMTP id r14ls3852324wff.2.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.223.7 with SMTP id v7mr4843914wfg.65.1287090011355; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.223.7 with SMTP id v7mr4843913wfg.65.1287090011317; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h6si15612872wfj.5.2010.10.14.14.00.10; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6UuH-0007Uh-IW for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:09 -0700 Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6UuA-0007RR-8v for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:09 -0700 Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so28193iwn.40 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.174.5 with SMTP id r5mr8978492ibz.132.1287090001541; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.48.79 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101014012330.GS24066@digitalkingdom.org> <20101014031348.GT24066@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:00:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] A friggin' proposal. From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ecf0855fb09049299fed8 --0016364ecf0855fb09049299fed8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Actually we had moved it to the main list after I said: " Also, yeah, the best point that anybody has made in this thread is that the topic OF this thread is way beyond the scope of the beginners list. CCing the main lojban-list. Please follow up on that list henceforth doi jbodau " You were the first person (with the below email) to change it back to the beginners list. Once again, CCing the main list, reply to that if you want to continue the thread. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 08:02:17PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > .i.ienaicai .i lu lo verba cu cusku lu .i viska lo melbi .yyyy. >> > li'u .i lo vy. mamta cu cusku lu toldi li'u li'u mupli loka xamgu >> >> na nabmi .i le vanbi be le cusku cu ro roi ralju .i le do cusku >> vanbi mupli cu mutce rirci .i lo nu galfi la .lojban. cu na sarcu > > >> > > *And this discussion doesn't belong here.* >> >> pe'i le mriste po by fy cu drani >> >> -Robin >> > > Okay, everybody, read that. Again. Especially the part that's bold, italic, > and underlined. > > Did you read it? Good. Now kill this thread. > > Secondly, this is not a real proposal. I honestly thought people would be > able to tell, considering the use of the word "friggin'", which is not > language that would ever be used in a serious proposal. And even if it were > a serious proposal, it wouldn't change the language in any case. > > The point of the "Friggin' Proposal" was to vent some of my frustration as > the needlessly long and many times painful debate over the concept of 'text' > that has been going on on the BPFK list since the 9th. Counting today, > that's nearly a week of wasted energy that could've been spent doing BPFK > work. > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016364ecf0855fb09049299fed8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually we had moved it to the main list after I said:

= "
Also, ye= ah, the best point that anybody has made in this thread is that the topic O= F this thread is way beyond the scope of the beginners list.

CCing the main lojban-list. =A0Please follow up on that= list henceforth doi jbodau
"

You w= ere the first person (with the below email) to change it back to the beginn= ers list. =A0Once again, CCing the main list, reply to that if you want to = continue the thread.


On Thu, Oct 14, 2= 010 at 4:53 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:13 P= M, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> = wrote:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 08:02:17PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> .i.ienaicai .i lu lo verba cu cusku lu .i viska lo melbi .yyyy.
> li'u .i lo vy. mamta cu cusku lu toldi li'u li'u mupli lok= a xamgu

na nabmi .i le vanbi be le cusku cu ro roi ralju .i le do cusku
vanbi mupli cu mutce rirci .i lo nu galfi la .lojban. cu na sarcu=A0

> > =A0And this discussion doesn't belong here.<= /u>

pe'i le mriste po by fy cu drani

-Robin

Okay, everybody, read that. Again.= Especially the part that's bold, italic, and underlined.

Did yo= u read it? Good. Now kill this thread.

Secondly, this is not a real = proposal. I honestly thought people would be able to tell, considering the = use of the word "friggin'", which is not language that would = ever be used in a serious proposal. And even if it were a serious proposal,= it wouldn't change the language in any case.

The point of the "Friggin' Proposal" was to vent some of = my frustration as the needlessly long and many times painful debate over th= e concept of 'text' that has been going on on the BPFK list since t= he 9th. Counting today, that's nearly a week of wasted energy that coul= d've been spent doing BPFK work.


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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