From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCggt7lBBoEl1F-Wg@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 15:16:16 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6W5t-0003y9-2j; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:16:16 -0700 Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1sf140515yxe.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qUhdWG9YqLUabsyskvTf37F0ktyt5x2gLht89Dt/v8k=; b=ES/k4KO9vfK4iNDZnMOlbxhmTagbMhDfwEh8UUohOSG5ISHRV/m3tZyALbZHUqQBEM EnDjhC7cJnpni/mEJf6SsfBFln+k7IAgKNCLp6nRix+LSt9H+N6OCVAxJEPWiTC43bqd ifqdjF/wdrcK/8edhhQil4L8d4dfZCy6eCv6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=SFU7MIm8LNkHPpM65ObVmotr6Ec06TJR0Ocx0+3pQN3RZekKq/Tx8wJJFEl2zs7xVY Yv8ESgrqe0I9O6VrAaJi32LOYmnZ2cQc/6Fdh2LyvDGF7P/e0B7NHQh1L9YxeYOeonVr WLLn9lARVsGZzJtaGvTv/gu0K0y8fobJtLup4= Received: by 10.150.73.31 with SMTP id v31mr1036642yba.8.1287094560423; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:16:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.112.41 with SMTP id u41ls1922734ibp.1.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.11 with SMTP id bc11mr4303242ibb.13.1287094559880; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.176.11 with SMTP id bc11mr4303240ibb.13.1287094559815; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bm7si7072909ibb.6.2010.10.14.15.15.58; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.172; Received: by mail-iw0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 10so116854iwn.31 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:15:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.161.199 with SMTP id u7mr4743147icx.356.1287094551321; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:15:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101014221204.GD15812@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20101014221204.GD15812@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:15:50 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Question regarding {cu'e} From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8d4c861d8804929b0d96 --90e6ba6e8d4c861d8804929b0d96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:27:10PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > "modal ? cu'e is a tense/modal question (meaning it takes the place of a > > fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the entire bridi > into a > > question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/modal as an > > answer.The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'e was in the > > original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered to the > > question. To indicate that there is no value that could make that bridi > > true, use {unknown}. A more extreme rejection of the presuppositions or > > implicatures involved in a question is to reply with {unknown}." > > > > What are the appropriate {unknown}s? > > Can you go to where you saw this and look at the source? It should > be in there. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". 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On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Robin L= ee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:27:10PM -0600, Jonathan Jones = wrote:
> "modal ? cu'e is a tense/modal question (meaning it takes the= place of a
> fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the entire bridi = into a
> question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/modal as an > answer.The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'e was in = the
> original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered to the > question. To indicate that there is no value that could make that brid= i
> true, use {unknown}. A more extreme rejection of the presuppositions o= r
> implicatures involved in a question is to reply with {unknown}."<= br> >
> What are the appropriate {unknown}s?

Can you go to where you saw this and look at the source? =A0It should=
be in there.

-Robin

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Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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The source is the same. "= {unknown}".

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