From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEIuE3uUEGgRpRrq_@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 15:20:10 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6W9f-00047Z-Od; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:20:10 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf34866pvc.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:20:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=ePDuKXgpF/Hecoi4y33wAtt+KJsnFWyU3g59vtw77jo=; b=iq+arWX0frRDQ8zz4/mjkyzUOSQ9poJrjuCDaR2GiYOyJhrDsfG985MPQdFjko9+b6 R5vmpVVYdd2BSdP3C/JzQ3l4Xq22K4HjIK1n7+lLVZ6A7Vv2M6v39/Ib5DQc/MGYkSEL YjIWqfAulKdAj6lIb5KuJtHl5ZbYGP6R+fEPc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=lYC02cww+7snLDnDG5pu7Xjkia9aff/u2voTlsFXV7R8h0r2XCtUIvMHSUnCXQLHFw A+W9wuCuQH3JZPT78lBT6CO9d4kac9R6SUaMdsvx1yN7iRp4VaNYLCeOiVVsJIDrLv0s liQ+m+IEqhb7O95qc7Ji1I2l4j+W68MwrHAmY= Received: by 10.142.149.18 with SMTP id w18mr170040wfd.45.1287094795743; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:19:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.41 with SMTP id 41ls322266wfb.0.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.148.18 with SMTP id v18mr237275wfd.38.1287094794614; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.148.18 with SMTP id v18mr237274wfd.38.1287094794584; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s21si12316792wff.0.2010.10.14.15.19.54; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6W9S-00044d-0R for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:19:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:19:53 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Question regarding {cu'e} Message-ID: <20101014221953.GE15812@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20101014221204.GD15812@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 04:15:50PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:27:10PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > "modal ? cu'e is a tense/modal question (meaning it takes the place of a > > > fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the entire bridi > > into a > > > question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/modal as an > > > answer.The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'e was in the > > > original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered to the > > > question. To indicate that there is no value that could make that bridi > > > true, use {unknown}. A more extreme rejection of the presuppositions or > > > implicatures involved in a question is to reply with {unknown}." > > > > > > What are the appropriate {unknown}s? > > > > Can you go to where you saw this and look at the source? It should > > be in there. > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+Tense > > The source is the same. "{unknown}". Looking at the history, looks like lindar put in ???, and you put in {unknown} to replace it. I have no idea what lindar had in mind. {zi'o} would certainly fill the first slot, and {na'i} the second, but I don't know why we would mention {na'i} in this definition. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.