From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCyht7lBBoElEWRXg@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 15:25:06 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6WER-0001O8-2l; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:25:06 -0700 Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1sf147492yxe.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=r7EOkMqmVL/5bAaMYVlLWkZNeOxjlYc0gLU4Djg6zMI=; b=Ru8JKRVwphEDvEmPF1PfoYumgIMsSgUhQRVTnoZ/31fw7mooggWucexjU94S1+zBu7 BKqHvDGwpsNyG4OnKTuphbQYISt6VrNvP0SIr4zwPTiKFbNTplffFsDH61tX42R43Znm rKYZZBChR1pQnEVIq2EA0YT1GvaC83yhbPlP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rYDFAU86OWdMmeg26uoRM+rpjTopK2SAt/X6n8YcCYbQqKeIcsEaayTBsy/AvSoPrg c1TuwsBFMTLOyVmUgRynGBSi5su4L/+/ecTJ97gcIs9biotuxZS8jieR6xGGdGXU2uoT knIj5NTkH9ClyeJg0Pq5jBbsdk9VC9G6qX+Ok= Received: by 10.151.2.4 with SMTP id e4mr641524ybi.70.1287095090927; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.112.41 with SMTP id u41ls1926300ibp.1.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr4257909ibk.15.1287095090080; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.79.82 with SMTP id o18mr4257906ibk.15.1287095090033; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si6833022ibq.1.2010.10.14.15.24.49; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so127393iwn.40 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.30.72 with SMTP id t8mr6185789ibc.46.1287095087749; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:24:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101014221204.GD15812@digitalkingdom.org> <20101014221953.GE15812@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:24:47 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Question regarding {cu'e} From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d7fa57f670204929b2db3 --0022152d7fa57f670204929b2db3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 04:15:50PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Robin Lee Powell < >> > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> > >> > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:27:10PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > > > "modal ? cu'e is a tense/modal question (meaning it takes the place >> of a >> > > > fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the entire >> bridi >> > > into a >> > > > question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/modal as an >> > > > answer.The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'e was in >> the >> > > > original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered to the >> > > > question. To indicate that there is no value that could make that >> bridi >> > > > true, use {unknown}. A more extreme rejection of the presuppositions >> or >> > > > implicatures involved in a question is to reply with {unknown}." >> > > > >> > > > What are the appropriate {unknown}s? >> > > >> > > Can you go to where you saw this and look at the source? It should >> > > be in there. >> > >> > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+Tense >> > >> > The source is the same. "{unknown}". >> >> Looking at the history, looks like lindar put in ???, and you put in >> {unknown} to replace it. I have no idea what lindar had in mind. >> {zi'o} would certainly fill the first slot, and {na'i} the second, >> but I don't know why we would mention {na'i} in this definition. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot >> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" >> is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > No, it was {unknown} when I got to it. I think the original author put > '???', and Lindar changed it to {unknown}. Since you think {na'i} isn't > important, I'll remove that sentence, and fix the other. > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > Once the edit lock clears, that is. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0022152d7fa57f670204929b2db3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14= , 2010 at 4:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org= > wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 04:15:50PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpow= ell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:27:10PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > "modal ? cu'e is a tense/modal question (meaning it= takes the place of a
> > > fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the ent= ire bridi
> > into a
> > > question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/mod= al as an
> > > answer.The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'= ;e was in the
> > > original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered= to the
> > > question. To indicate that there is no value that could make= that bridi
> > > true, use {unknown}. A more extreme rejection of the presupp= ositions or
> > > implicatures involved in a question is to reply with {unknow= n}."
> > >
> > > What are the appropriate {unknown}s?
> >
> > Can you go to where you saw this and look at the source? =A0It sh= ould
> > be in there.
>
Looking at the history, looks like lindar put in ???, and you put in<= br> {unknown} to replace it. =A0I have no idea what lindar had in mind.
{zi'o} would certainly fill the first slot, and {na'i} the second,<= br> but I don't know why we would mention {na'i} in this definition.

-Robin

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No, it was {unknown} when I = got to it. I think the original author put '???', and Lindar change= d it to {unknown}. Since you think {na'i} isn't important, I'll= remove that sentence, and fix the other.


--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )


Once the edit lock clears, that is.

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