From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDXh97lBBoEfCMOQA@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 15:27:51 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6WH6-000595-Cs; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:51 -0700 Received: by gwj22 with SMTP id 22sf165687gwj.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=m7tSiFDyW3UJ7VT/QCygiM5sb8XAS0mwj+zwdhctMPo=; b=1bXSEdGuQZPfpJNgdxiJZpWmE5Eu54LFD54+s43DGH+ioVejooBYFMIpOkeGwmEr9R sB1eJqgUuJ0zFR4uOO+EoRHbDV+EqBhonsHef0YN8ISIA7tebbBZmXzO/gl8oIfOSiKt d6wnYLu8odRGeqN3k/OFK+YiTmTKIJrF5rjBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=i8zQcAjeZDX1yrx6ieAM/CRToWC4FPJF5vWR8fXeVEghPAwtK+BEe10EUZi4fzgEs0 OyvspWii8ZxR2C1ZTKn7rNmFEf3fTDg5cVhOPZBaut5KfYTnSN+UxUwPHkWhFEc+hUtZ NsDd9+TsGYlObHB4h+CORJ/ENFM7r0TW6Qepg= Received: by 10.236.102.134 with SMTP id d6mr270280yhg.23.1287095255843; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.180.73 with SMTP id bt9ls1928506ibb.0.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.69 with SMTP id q5mr3569047ibx.8.1287095255280; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.161.69 with SMTP id q5mr3569046ibx.8.1287095254886; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f170.google.com (mail-iw0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si2786316ibb.4.2010.10.14.15.27.33; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.170; Received: by mail-iw0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 37so191313iwn.1 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.41.196 with SMTP id q4mr5650079ice.482.1287095250264; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20101014221953.GE15812@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20101014221204.GD15812@digitalkingdom.org> <20101014221953.GE15812@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:27:30 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Question regarding {cu'e} From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf301d42ea2f228504929b37d8 --20cf301d42ea2f228504929b37d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 04:15:50PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:27:10PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > "modal ? cu'e is a tense/modal question (meaning it takes the place > of a > > > > fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the entire bridi > > > into a > > > > question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/modal as an > > > > answer.The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'e was in the > > > > original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered to the > > > > question. To indicate that there is no value that could make that > bridi > > > > true, use {unknown}. A more extreme rejection of the presuppositions > or > > > > implicatures involved in a question is to reply with {unknown}." > > > > > > > > What are the appropriate {unknown}s? > > > > > > Can you go to where you saw this and look at the source? It should > > > be in there. > > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+Tense > > > > The source is the same. "{unknown}". > > Looking at the history, looks like lindar put in ???, and you put in > {unknown} to replace it. I have no idea what lindar had in mind. > {zi'o} would certainly fill the first slot, and {na'i} the second, > but I don't know why we would mention {na'i} in this definition. > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot > is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" > is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > BTW, thanks for reminding me about the history. I had completely forgotten that feature. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf301d42ea2f228504929b37d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Robin L= ee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 04:15:50PM -0600, Jonathan Jones = wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom= .org> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:27:10PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > "modal ? cu'e is a tense/modal question (meaning it= takes the place of a
> > > fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the ent= ire bridi
> > into a
> > > question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/mod= al as an
> > > answer.The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'= ;e was in the
> > > original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered= to the
> > > question. To indicate that there is no value that could make= that bridi
> > > true, use {unknown}. A more extreme rejection of the presupp= ositions or
> > > implicatures involved in a question is to reply with {unknow= n}."
> > >
> > > What are the appropriate {unknown}s?
> >
> > Can you go to where you saw this and look at the source? =A0It sh= ould
> > be in there.
>
> http://www.lojban.or= g/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Tense
>
> The source is the same. "{unknown}".

Looking at the history, looks like lindar put in ???, and you put in<= br> {unknown} to replace it. =A0I have no idea what lindar had in mind.
{zi'o} would certainly fill the first slot, and {na'i} the second,<= br> but I don't know why we would mention {na'i} in this definition.

-Robin

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Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this senten= ce is false"
is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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