From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRDkkd7lBBoEA7bfMw@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 15:58:16 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6WkX-000687-Om; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:58:16 -0700 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39sf90408wyb.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:58:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=hzmpfXYHVVeLfTPVmm2SgJfz7rRAp2kCeiw+PDqNgQU=; b=qzIDtXoOTrlTX/P4IOpnh7vOQruTWXpgcq1Mbib9I5XvDZGJJS9z+pjd/C5pGOWWtE vg5iGBlyeRRxD1thXnyzrso6oUojrlU9Txf+XPruNP0f8THI8KPENTRu2/dWb8PLrSfg aOpJWXlF83hbT0bfIWuUwsTeKJYsySz6yhiqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=LGy6+JkMbfv3VoS3OdJp5s5kE7p43INba67RWkTvcFTVeHkTvXtj7jUv3uRkpx/NUA WeAADYfj3UXQ0GClUCd/AAg7SIpqRwbjlsHaOv/Wls+G//x33WkPYgA9bivs8eWb/MkS rWBI4mmXtQ0h5N8pUmzciipYhBBF4C4pS5g4Y= Received: by 10.216.16.33 with SMTP id g33mr75031weg.29.1287096548929; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:49:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.3.19 with SMTP id 19ls1014154wbl.3.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.152.196 with SMTP id h4mr2328wbw.21.1287096547824; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.152.196 with SMTP id h4mr2327wbw.21.1287096547775; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h9si594634wbe.4.2010.10.14.15.49.06; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.172; Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so116174wyb.3 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:49:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.156.12 with SMTP id u12mr10497430wbw.213.1287094683270; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:18:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:18:03 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Question regarding {cu'e} From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > "modal ? cu'e is a tense/modal question (meaning it takes the place of a > fully-specified modal/tense). Specifically, it turns the entire bridi into a > question, and requests that the listener provide a tense/modal as an > answer.The tense/modal response fills the place where cu'e was in the > original bridi and the resulting bridi is the answer offered to the > question. To indicate that there is no value that could make that bridi > true, use {unknown}. A more extreme rejection of the presuppositions or > implicatures involved in a question is to reply with {unknown}." > > What are the appropriate {unknown}s? I don't think there is any "zi'o" equivalent for tags, which I guess is what the first one is driving at. For the second one you just say "na'i", like you would do with any question or statement with unwarranted presuppositions. ("cu'e" is a pointless word with no use whatsoever, BTW, just in case you wanted my opinion on that.) mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.