From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhD-wt7lBBoEWs3ewQ@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 17:34:24 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6YFZ-00038d-Pu; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:34:24 -0700 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39sf115131wyb.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:34:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rRfDquzVptGAmC7F7/wsI1erTqqz0DvjYnszDz9J+xw=; b=EnV8kjTR2HjHcvgPGANORgtp8O0XMJycA74u8WHE9qqh9MS0NPYTIkD0eV/s/PVt9R yvLpa3rtTKHQJv3X8pon1R8rUIQdvtD5/ktq6SAw0lPOHIGNvlAuSbd7VPE0eDTg4sKm b0E2wp2NH1a5yiTKY2caupDGW0aMdcjFnFaqE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xCshI9g76yzltRKIhU3u4HSRNt3wrTzA4Nbnkp3PI8KzQywc+LtwtFxL6w3M52b+/5 69YUWSm2MV44SofJBtzAHb6wUtsUKFnNZbj8XcLWH5GgzC/9P72LjrqEYsGtbQAD03hF NzdDJLpdlc/g/hnY9mURvhugDb5aTNd3B3N7c= Received: by 10.216.15.6 with SMTP id e6mr75853wee.10.1287102846451; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.213.1 with SMTP id z1ls1288175weo.1.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr611480wea.14.1287102845414; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.37.211 with SMTP id y61mr611479wea.14.1287102845388; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x80si2078743weq.4.2010.10.14.17.34.04; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.182; Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38so203664wyb.13 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.147.145 with SMTP id l17mr100674wbv.183.1287102452991; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:27:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.28.16 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stela Selckiku Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:27:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] informal discussion of words To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I would suggest naming it "Discussion: ", with reciprocal linking > between the discussion and description (if existent) pages. OK I'd be happy to follow that convention if that makes sense to us. What would it mean though to have a description page that's distinct from a discussion page? For a more formal definition we have la jbovlaste, right? And should the title really be in English? My first thought was more like "vlasnu zo " or "casnu zo ", or just "zo ". I intend to discuss in Lojban as much as possible, and then English only if my Lojban falls short, which hopefully should be less and less often over time. :) > 1) {ki'e} is a COI, so you just thanked yourself. .u'icai I made that > mistake myself rather recently, I believe .xorxes. pointed it out to me. In this case I had "ki'e mi'e", which is "Thanks (someone), I'm..." I like to say that because it rhymes! Often when I'm putting a bridi with "ki'e" I like to say something like "ki'e do do gasnu lo xamgu be mi" because I like that repeated "do". :D > 2) I've been meaning to ask you this for awhile, I just keep forgetting to. > Why do you end with your signature (mi'e la.stela,selckiku.) before the > valediction (mu'o)? Is it intentional for cultural reasons, as the English > custom is "Sincerely, Me", not "Me, Sincerely"? I changed my habit on this after a conversation we had a while back (on this very list I think). Various positions were put forward I believe, but this is the argument that swayed me: In formal spoken contexts, we might use "mu'o" to show that it's time for the next speaker. It therefore makes sense to finish saying everything else you have to say before saying "mu'o". It might be good for us to actually get in the habit of using "mu'o" that way on la tcati tcika, now that I think of it! I think I'll try to remember to do that when people call in, and maybe even "mu'o la pafcribe" for instance to say I'm passing the talking stick to la pafcribe, especially if there's more than two people in the conversation. mi'e .telselkik. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.