From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCNyt7lBBoEU9ssDA@googlegroups.com Thu Oct 14 17:49:35 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6YUF-0003jl-Hd; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:35 -0700 Received: by gyh3 with SMTP id 3sf270652gyh.16 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=q+wNmfEffSBZmHhZ1PzO7ft0X/xLWsKYbKDhVXCVx6s=; b=iDq3o9q0YVQbqOgHYbIUN2aNJk64v7E0VaDmNdC3hXby/2Gl6iov6U4aGFSY3BqxdU LTNTZZLjPOcVQDM2HGXQfk5O/Dn6uZZYlfoo/fgTpOUHW7FeaM6ZScrNSHJV8bk3cBnA oMOd8H65JIll3X7ilYF2B8IR1hz+fKVKybmpk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Xon6VMQxZmj6TxoP7TQvT14zjSK6IdGt0Kl0RTyBnZNPrwpu1wcsIHSbwdtirQOLKL 6nS1d29xvlxM1ErAnjb/z6TBFPCC+3oCUQa1MncSIzIfP3nYQmowAczW+6236JoWw5tB 0W7GAhsk+HyRBQsVixjoBohzlRpw7KSIv5M7c= Received: by 10.90.72.6 with SMTP id u6mr90882aga.26.1287103757123; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.203 with SMTP id q11ls1975117ibr.2.p; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.33.74 with SMTP id g10mr2215ibd.13.1287103755590; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.33.74 with SMTP id g10mr2214ibd.13.1287103755518; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f177.google.com (mail-iw0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b32si6907410ibq.1.2010.10.14.17.49.14; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.177; Received: by iwn7 with SMTP id 7so267286iwn.36 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.190.75 with SMTP id dh11mr9128420ibb.189.1287103753313; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.68 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:49:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:49:13 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] informal discussion of words From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367b6ecc015f0e04929d324d --0016367b6ecc015f0e04929d324d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Stela Selckiku wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > I would suggest naming it "Discussion: ", with reciprocal linking > > between the discussion and description (if existent) pages. > > OK I'd be happy to follow that convention if that makes sense to us. > > What would it mean though to have a description page that's distinct > from a discussion page? For a more formal definition we have la > jbovlaste, right? > Well, I was thinking of the various BPFK section pages when I wrote that. I don't know if all valsi have a tiki page, but all the cmavo do. I was meaning to link between, for example, http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+Tense&no_bl=y#cmavo:_ba_PU_and http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=casnu+zo+ba > And should the title really be in English? My first thought was more > like "vlasnu zo " or "casnu zo ", or just "zo ". I > intend to discuss in Lojban as much as possible, and then English only > if my Lojban falls short, which hopefully should be less and less > often over time. :) > Having the title be in Lojban is fine by me. I would go with {casnu zo } over your other examples. > > 1) {ki'e} is a COI, so you just thanked yourself. .u'icai I made that > > mistake myself rather recently, I believe .xorxes. pointed it out to me. > > In this case I had "ki'e mi'e", which is "Thanks (someone), I'm..." I > like to say that because it rhymes! Often when I'm putting a bridi > with "ki'e" I like to say something like "ki'e do do gasnu lo xamgu be > mi" because I like that repeated "do". :D > > > 2) I've been meaning to ask you this for awhile, I just keep forgetting > to. > > Why do you end with your signature (mi'e la.stela,selckiku.) before the > > valediction (mu'o)? Is it intentional for cultural reasons, as the > English > > custom is "Sincerely, Me", not "Me, Sincerely"? > > I changed my habit on this after a conversation we had a while back > (on this very list I think). Various positions were put forward I > believe, but this is the argument that swayed me: In formal spoken > contexts, we might use "mu'o" to show that it's time for the next > speaker. It therefore makes sense to finish saying everything else > you have to say before saying "mu'o". > > It might be good for us to actually get in the habit of using "mu'o" > that way on la tcati tcika, now that I think of it! I think I'll try > to remember to do that when people call in, and maybe even "mu'o la > pafcribe" for instance to say I'm passing the talking stick to la > pafcribe, especially if there's more than two people in the > conversation. > > mi'e .telselkik. mu'o > That, to me, is a good reason to not do that. That'd be like me saying "(Blah Blah Blah) I'm Jon." everytime I speak, which, funnily, reminds me of 10-second Tom from "Fifty First Dates". .u'i -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Stela Selckiku = <selckiku@gmail.= com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would suggest naming it "Discussion: <word>", with r= eciprocal linking
> between the discussion and description (if existent) pages.

OK I'd be happy to follow that convention if that makes sense to = us.

What would it mean though to have a description page that's distinct from a discussion page? =A0For a more formal definition we have la
jbovlaste, right?

Well, I was thinking of the vari= ous BPFK section pages when I wrote that. I don't know if all valsi hav= e a tiki page, but all the cmavo do. I was meaning to link between, for exa= mple, http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-i= ndex.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Tense&no_bl=3Dy#cmavo:_ba_PU_ and <= a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dcasnu+zo+ba">htt= p://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dcasnu+zo+ba
=A0
And should the title really be in English? =A0My first thought was more
like "vlasnu zo <word>" or "casnu zo <word>"= ;, or just "zo <word>". =A0I
intend to discuss in Lojban as much as possible, and then English only
if my Lojban falls short, which hopefully should be less and less
often over time. :)

Having the title be in Lojban = is fine by me. I would go with {casnu zo <word>} over your other exam= ples.
=A0
> 1) {ki'e} is a COI, so you just thanked yourself. .u'icai I ma= de that
> mistake myself rather recently, I believe .xorxes. pointed it out to m= e.

In this case I had "ki'e mi'e", which is "Than= ks (someone), I'm..." =A0I
like to say that because it rhymes! =A0Often when I'm putting a bridi with "ki'e" I like to say something like "ki'e do do= gasnu lo xamgu be
mi" because I like that repeated "do". :D

> 2) I've been meaning to ask you this for awhile, I just keep forge= tting to.
> Why do you end with your signature (mi'e la.stela,selckiku.) befor= e the
> valediction (mu'o)? Is it intentional for cultural reasons, as the= English
> custom is "Sincerely, Me", not "Me, Sincerely"?
I changed my habit on this after a conversation we had a while back (on this very list I think). =A0Various positions were put forward I
believe, but this is the argument that swayed me: In formal spoken
contexts, we might use "mu'o" to show that it's time for = the next
speaker. =A0It therefore makes sense to finish saying everything else
you have to say before saying "mu'o".

It might be good for us to actually get in the habit of using "mu'= o"
that way on la tcati tcika, now that I think of it! =A0I think I'll try=
to remember to do that when people call in, and maybe even "mu'o l= a
pafcribe" for instance to say I'm passing the talking stick to la<= br> pafcribe, especially if there's more than two people in the
conversation.

mi'e .telselkik. mu'o

That, to me, is a g= ood reason to not do that. That'd be like me saying "(Blah Blah Bl= ah) I'm Jon." everytime I speak, which, funnily, reminds me of 10-= second Tom from "Fifty First Dates". .u'i

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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