From lojban+bncCJXwn4e6DRDJ_uHlBBoEPbOYUQ@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 15 09:20:42 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6n1K-0000Vy-SZ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:42 -0700 Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16sf172443fxm.16 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=uLyWtd1NVTRbLG2CQtnW6ky0yAyVltQ81mLW5Xo9bYE=; b=jWhcDc8EJcovmvHEJ/AfNs9/bkxN0D4fwcWjKAq6B79AQx6qWWAzuK5Yy6SLC/zVwK a9jm0mefAgCGJ/BPow7klZMMRBKWaGVkV8DD/yItKnVwqkuAs69u5rkF+i1lhSFUiuiX pW8MtpJLn24r0pDeUm/yag8rcfa4b9Q2DPVJM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Hp1yHnKQAnpgt5e/J2VWdAaKt2KCJHmbGyyLH/OqCfixwKnb+6Ltgqtv326n8WjohP FPWbIUiFO/bb4RwHAn07I4Re+nCh9DM+ZrvaH1/DuHiNGx/PdMNP6gFf8MMo4YyUMzYQ bfmWfyGtqGaV/yd4M0XlUHbdJCiPS7141ofM4= Received: by 10.223.74.9 with SMTP id s9mr3639faj.26.1287159625990; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.29.18 with SMTP id o18ls1691863bkc.3.p; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.8.20 with SMTP id f20mr81911bkf.9.1287159624850; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.8.20 with SMTP id f20mr81910bkf.9.1287159624809; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f49.google.com (mail-fx0-f49.google.com [209.85.161.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g12si7522390bkl.5.2010.10.15.09.20.23; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.49; Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so625971fxm.36 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.140.5 with SMTP id v5mr50496hbv.120.1287159623347; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.170.139 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:20:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Adam Lopresto Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] informal discussion of words To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: adamlopresto@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adamlopresto@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adamlopresto@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another possibility: ki'a On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Stela Selckiku wrot= e: >> >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Jones wrot= e: >> > >> > I would suggest naming it "Discussion: ", with reciprocal linkin= g >> > between the discussion and description (if existent) pages. >> >> OK I'd be happy to follow that convention if that makes sense to us. >> >> What would it mean though to have a description page that's distinct >> from a discussion page? =A0For a more formal definition we have la >> jbovlaste, right? > > Well, I was thinking of the various BPFK section pages when I wrote that.= I > don't know if all valsi have a tiki page, but all the cmavo do. I was > meaning to link between, for example, > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+Tense&no= _bl=3Dy#cmavo:_ba_PU_ > and http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3Dcasnu+zo+ba > >> >> And should the title really be in English? =A0My first thought was more >> like "vlasnu zo " or "casnu zo ", or just "zo ". =A0I >> intend to discuss in Lojban as much as possible, and then English only >> if my Lojban falls short, which hopefully should be less and less >> often over time. :) > > Having the title be in Lojban is fine by me. I would go with {casnu zo > } over your other examples. > >> >> > 1) {ki'e} is a COI, so you just thanked yourself. .u'icai I made that >> > mistake myself rather recently, I believe .xorxes. pointed it out to m= e. >> >> In this case I had "ki'e mi'e", which is "Thanks (someone), I'm..." =A0I >> like to say that because it rhymes! =A0Often when I'm putting a bridi >> with "ki'e" I like to say something like "ki'e do do gasnu lo xamgu be >> mi" because I like that repeated "do". :D >> >> > 2) I've been meaning to ask you this for awhile, I just keep forgettin= g >> > to. >> > Why do you end with your signature (mi'e la.stela,selckiku.) before th= e >> > valediction (mu'o)? Is it intentional for cultural reasons, as the >> > English >> > custom is "Sincerely, Me", not "Me, Sincerely"? >> >> I changed my habit on this after a conversation we had a while back >> (on this very list I think). =A0Various positions were put forward I >> believe, but this is the argument that swayed me: In formal spoken >> contexts, we might use "mu'o" to show that it's time for the next >> speaker. =A0It therefore makes sense to finish saying everything else >> you have to say before saying "mu'o". >> >> It might be good for us to actually get in the habit of using "mu'o" >> that way on la tcati tcika, now that I think of it! =A0I think I'll try >> to remember to do that when people call in, and maybe even "mu'o la >> pafcribe" for instance to say I'm passing the talking stick to la >> pafcribe, especially if there's more than two people in the >> conversation. >> >> mi'e .telselkik. mu'o > > That, to me, is a good reason to not do that. That'd be like me saying > "(Blah Blah Blah) I'm Jon." everytime I speak, which, funnily, reminds me= of > 10-second Tom from "Fifty First Dates". .u'i > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do > zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.