From lojban+bncCML0xpmUARD80qPlBBoE-Rw_bQ@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 03 13:37:33 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P2VJJ-0005yV-FT; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:37:33 -0700 Received: by qwf6 with SMTP id 6sf6031782qwf.16 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:37:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=H6yqxemztnOUPW/hVsnQyvIo0dWMdLtxDGc0p1907Rk=; b=eLjoVdZC8AFz+oabwl2Ko75NNgxTXL9MUj9HWyRaHD6jxKlgrDx9pljsv7KlftwP7U HFSjRi+bifDWxMt7NrmnsdAWHU9qMEq66KaForQledpbflny7MgNtxwmN1qaqf/FfqHU IYGi5bcT1ZNMm4yILxLxzPV6hIsJChSILaRH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ApQYo03z+sqefugdqa5gIKu2udSBwYZAFz0YqHsszBtinMNebbJw4Cl+IB5RQgcebB emWUCHWLuktiaJ3dtCK7ij9S+4ohII/22G4fBkBl/Gj53Pq8yAZdgCpZK+3hx2qNNpPc QZsYPxRI/g1WSaFpcPdiCBA4JLAMP34TGy4ew= Received: by 10.229.127.18 with SMTP id e18mr638307qcs.16.1286138236231; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:37:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.173.155 with SMTP id p27ls1917149qcz.3.p; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.182.73 with SMTP id cb9mr1856731qcb.26.1286138235599; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.182.73 with SMTP id cb9mr1856730qcb.26.1286138235563; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f43.google.com (mail-qw0-f43.google.com [209.85.216.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id mz6si2268381qcb.13.2010.10.03.13.37.14; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.43; Received: by mail-qw0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 8so3286879qwj.16 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.98.84 with SMTP id p20mr6205771qcn.149.1286138234248; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.92.2 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 16:37:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A pro-sumti for PU? From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee89a95a1d50491bc64c1 --0016364ee89a95a1d50491bc64c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That much is actually pretty nice. Can {nau} be a tag unto itself? I'm thinking of trying to unambiguously (which rules out {zo'e}, if you're willing to nitpick) say "now", assign that time to a variable, and then use that in subsequent discussion. A somewhat realistic example in English: I went home. Then I went to the store, like you asked. But before all that, I went to my friend's house, where we did blah blah blah interesting stuff. A decent way to do this, now that I think about it a little more, would probably be to use {lo tcika be lo du'u go'i} and {lo tcika be lo du'u go'e}; it would be nice to be able to readily grab these as a sentence is said and (unambiguously) store them, though. All in all I think we've got enough here to say what I wanted. mu'o mi'e latros. 2010/10/3 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Ian Johnson > wrote: > > So can you or can't you assign times to KOhA? In that case you assigned > to > > BY, which is more ambiguous than KOhA, since the semantics of BY is > mutable > > from context alone. > > Yes, you can assign any value you want to ko'a. You can say "ca zo'e > goi ko'a", or "ca ko'a goi lo tcika be lo nu no'a", or ... make it as > precise as you like. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016364ee89a95a1d50491bc64c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That much is actually pretty nice.

Can {nau} be a tag un= to itself? I'm thinking of trying to unambiguously (which rules out {zo= 'e}, if you're willing to nitpick) say "now", assign that= time to a variable, and then use that in subsequent discussion. A somewhat= realistic example in English:

I went home. Then I went to the store, like you asked. = But before all that, I went to my friend's house, where we did blah bla= h blah interesting stuff.

A decent way to do this,= now that I think about it a little more, would probably be to use {lo tcik= a be lo du'u go'i} and {lo tcika be lo du'u go'e}; it would= be nice to be able to readily grab these as a sentence is said and (unambi= guously) store them, though.

All in all I think we've got enough here to say what I w= anted.

mu'o mi'e latros.
2010/10/3 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 4:= 13 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbrava= do@gmail.com> wrote:
> So can you or can't you assign times to KOhA? In that case you ass= igned to
> BY, which is more ambiguous than KOhA, since the semantics of BY =A0is= mutable
> from context alone.

Yes, you can assign any value you want to ko'a. You can say "= ;ca zo'e
goi ko'a", or "ca ko'a goi lo tcika be lo nu no'a&quo= t;, or ... make it as
precise as you like.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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