From lojban+bncCNCCoMTMDhDX1uPlBBoEg032Aw@googlegroups.com Fri Oct 15 17:01:43 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P6uDU-0005mv-CF; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:01:43 -0700 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39sf728659wyb.16 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:01:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=usbvKVW3oH2k1i6bH8IlIpACtXtA4C+t74KpV2wt/jI=; b=wyjORzKMW5LKP1WibP6WgAATkV0CPRk2seE6ViY1Jp0aIAnOEC6CKIHeLXIvG9iiSJ Gefl23kJZX9Y+N0ykV+CxDCJzvwsrC2rlU+n/Ikml9jTDH9YrX95UQFlzlTuWLVgQwqB /PKCGZJIb9T+uy0GC0X/D/U98ITdVsumRuR0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Haci6bb+kDVzAq9TrkT1u8/RMMnz7bbrvlj2fRWYCeFKVbdjfsDepzFS5h+CzoP4Hh nOg62OlQ7jENz6WcpOJ60zN5zZKqqmrQp1iijAZBtlNY1hKmzKyVllcSl/pCLlREHUmn jj4whpAnx3yJp3gEV84Oh/UTGEgOt9gGiN1G8= Received: by 10.216.12.7 with SMTP id 7mr249092wey.26.1287187287939; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.213.1 with SMTP id z1ls1783027weo.1.p; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.220.221 with SMTP id o71mr80761wep.2.1287187286779; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.220.221 with SMTP id o71mr80760wep.2.1287187286758; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o31si2880885wej.10.2010.10.15.17.01.25; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.182; Received: by wyb38 with SMTP id 38so1747219wyb.41 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.133.7 with SMTP id d7mr1767175wbt.54.1287187278962; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:01:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.28.16 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:00:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <385d6b2f-c484-494b-9241-6d7429ce0ec3@p20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> From: Stela Selckiku Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:00:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Questions on isolating utterances before completely parsing To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Adam Lopresto wrote: > > .i mi lu mi prami do cusku The ONLY usage I can recall seeing of this type of sentence is when experts are showing off their mastery of the obscurities! I can parse them fine, ever since being put through that rite of passage myself, but I doubt the language would be much poorer without them. OTOH they'd be very useful on the forum I've been considering making (perhaps called "lujyjbo") for intentionally convoluted and obscure Lojban! I thought it could be fun sport if we gathered somewhere far away from the confused newbies and made Lojban dance with strange elisions and deep embedding and the layered SE shell game, etc. Even for that purpose, though, I'm not sure there's anything especially worthwhile about this quirk! It's not like Lojban has any shortage of obscurations to play with. mi'e .telselkik. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.