From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRD83KPlBBoE9akTRA@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 03 13:58:53 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P2Vdy-0006gU-5D; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:58:53 -0700 Received: by wwe15 with SMTP id 15sf1191768wwe.16 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:58:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pHE7E3UGHw4MC2IkTMtrZOTrnba2dz0+MP8kHPqRmDI=; b=594SvQv2754gMgMU/L85TmabtHouVSt5+yeZ8kd8x8/I4qOJo2IildbBqtXpr+CrP6 6pl15wVXJiOh8toHuTqMzZMLcsZ9DV+v/34D7djpzL7C5spBGFBlu30wegkK4L8MRzWf sXPsCUHg01gdJj3gBYqs/1jZTFyad1uhcw/Qw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=c/bYSvWsh7ub+pqdHhoIhvwAhMBTgDdkIiDJRLyS+HXYLhgIK1avRIw8rkrQ+uPdcc SvRMWsj2voDecm6IK0nCRhznVb26ZFvqXFk/33k4ipZydn5XEnz5J+EF/8pWFebnhc8P W3Z8oYxibtO8SVGSx5vtPqHgGSU4gQG/19jZI= Received: by 10.216.145.97 with SMTP id o75mr1476756wej.1.1286139516961; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:58:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.165 with SMTP id y37ls1916441weq.1.p; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.150.223 with SMTP id z73mr384600wej.0.1286139515882; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.150.223 with SMTP id z73mr384599wej.0.1286139515854; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f175.google.com (mail-wy0-f175.google.com [74.125.82.175]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ey20si1863001wbb.2.2010.10.03.13.58.34; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.175; Received: by mail-wy0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 35so5849914wyb.34 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:58:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.142.208 with SMTP id r16mr7016323wbu.140.1286139513915; Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.130 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:58:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:58:33 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A pro-sumti for PU? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > > Can {nau} be a tag unto itself? Not sure what you mean by that. All tags have essentially the same grammar, the only difference is in how they combine with one another, but even that difference should disappear if this (or something similar) is approved: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Internal+grammar+of+tags > I'm thinking of trying to unambiguously > (which rules out {zo'e}, if you're willing to nitpick) say "now", assign > that time to a variable, I guess you could use something like "ko'a goi lo nau fasnu". > and then use that in subsequent discussion. Ah, but once the moment of the assignment has passed, the now you have assigned is no longer the current now. :) > A > somewhat realistic example in English: > I went home. Then I went to the store, like you asked. But before all that, > I went to my friend's house, where we did blah blah blah interesting stuff. > A decent way to do this, now that I think about it a little more, would > probably be to use {lo tcika be lo du'u go'i} and {lo tcika be lo du'u > go'e}; it would be nice to be able to readily grab these as a sentence is > said and (unambiguously) store them, though. But "nau" is for the time of the utterance, not for the time of what the utterance is describing. In this example "nau" doesn't play any relevant role, since eveything in the story has happened in the past of the time when the story is told. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.