From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCc_OjlBBoEM3MVRQ@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 16 17:07:06 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7GmF-0005iL-UH; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:07:06 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf1269526pvc.16 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:06:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=HVpdirC7Qx/S0q2QSmhesbU/uhvQRCKzfBCtwBmBotA=; b=5wk7afOD1qmIKTp0wm6GV8P9Z9l9A+QnG8Pg2aT0jSFvokq4tiIEhSvbrcpkdyBwaH RJpr6jIemIq7JG0Y1U3Z+12Ek+x+QOFGwOZVgxV/grY3CGyt3axXNfAc77sY95Wz+9Yn tfyzW7cqeAPNTJmvP4k8d9ZUJVjuPTUHWQGHw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=xR4LcIBWhWQSzS8CnyOZuUX1ieHa8hkJ76zTPfYJtu2PCcT4wsHvM9yVdJPdmaTjNe Ar3qIzaiMN/eQoULrUN7zf8TpjBAOeLt/bK4IVFvAJKtbzu25wV1lzQe5wsdHgVkopix tYfEoVxpC+415G3Wu09/9GnvixBgCBHVPfKZ8= Received: by 10.142.65.9 with SMTP id n9mr65957wfa.49.1287274012729; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.2.41 with SMTP id 41ls3308870wfb.0.p; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.234.12 with SMTP id g12mr1620353wfh.13.1287274012214; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.234.12 with SMTP id g12mr1620352wfh.13.1287274012192; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n6si14246432wfl.7.2010.10.16.17.06.51; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=lu/RhtYP0ChAeUxMEPBris12a71TWT5f9yvo3GNwP9w= c=1 sm=0 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=mVfP0yx9Z9ljczkmGxEA:9 a=kVSeYMlOTdhCqQgHLiDFOjD32MQA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:36418] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 93/0E-14228-A1E3ABC4; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:06:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127BE155D7 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] voi Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:06:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201010160801.04379.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201010161811.33906.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201010162006.45492.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 16 October 2010 19:05:36 Jonathan Jones wrote: > I can't say anything about voi, although I'd guess yes, but couldn't you > just tack on a poi after friko and mention the ear shape thing? > > (Guessing as to the meaning of cyclotis: {lo sa'orselde'i voi friko poi > cukla kerlo}.) Both are African, but only one is *called* africana. The one with rounded ears is called cyclotis. So "lo sa'orselde'i voi friko" identifies one species, "lo sa'orselde'i voi cukla se kerlo" and "lo sa'orselde'i poi cukla se kerlo" identify the other, and "lo sa'orselde'i poi friko" is no more specific than "lo sa'orselde'i". Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.