From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhC5_ejlBBoEYDKxew@googlegroups.com Sat Oct 16 17:09:46 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7Goo-0005oX-0f; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:46 -0700 Received: by ywo7 with SMTP id 7sf1118957ywo.16 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ONGyt1WtoMU5U7lBlLW+bkcTFc3WJFN60hzzZIwXDvo=; b=oSFelV7954nTjGViDVaNzISrkwX+b9BLSZc/srYHWeLVZ5GfSKfALCAIUPEwJ5tPLR iDNU7hkxLcJl+/6t+itAK9Xo6OmuvTfK1VDVTiWjoKllvUITplC3pcaMF7zoO/yqT2iq b3RuP9U1SJiKLSyK6d+O+z8GzmhCyu1EyxHLY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=BFkYCdkW3oeuKBu8KBQK3iXmwHepSwu7Dh2u5p+C3dBHOupDwxU4cDtEWph1qef7bm 0EPuBeEQ7JgdrlXo/HzX6YHdCvSZ74pXaAge/tf5HkCeD6dFQ1oSekfZuHggN77xdoN0 nVkszdnRlzGIdMhJeNAUOMH12ogvoDEpl6L+w= Received: by 10.150.26.10 with SMTP id 10mr57504ybz.36.1287274169609; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.112.41 with SMTP id u41ls3097717ibp.1.p; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.191.68 with SMTP id dl4mr1039581ibb.18.1287274169076; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.191.68 with SMTP id dl4mr1039580ibb.18.1287274169053; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f179.google.com (mail-iw0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j25si4476538ibb.0.2010.10.16.17.09.28; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.179; Received: by iwn9 with SMTP id 9so1771813iwn.38 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.32.73 with SMTP id b9mr1972866ibd.133.1287274167862; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.208.15 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:09:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010162006.45492.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201010160801.04379.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201010161811.33906.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201010162006.45492.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:09:27 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] voi From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0022152d6c9181061f0492c4df41 --0022152d6c9181061f0492c4df41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 16 October 2010 19:05:36 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I can't say anything about voi, although I'd guess yes, but couldn't you > > just tack on a poi after friko and mention the ear shape thing? > > > > (Guessing as to the meaning of cyclotis: {lo sa'orselde'i voi friko poi > > cukla kerlo}.) > > Both are African, but only one is *called* africana. The one with rounded > ears > is called cyclotis. So "lo sa'orselde'i voi friko" identifies one > species, "lo sa'orselde'i voi cukla se kerlo" and "lo sa'orselde'i poi > cukla > se kerlo" identify the other, and "lo sa'orselde'i poi friko" is no more > specific than "lo sa'orselde'i". > > Pierre > -- > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga > .icu'u la ma'atman. > Well, you said there were three species of elephant, and only two of them are African, yes? So the {poi friko} is somewhat more specific, just not between the two you're talking about. :D -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.n= u> wrote:
On Saturday 16 October 2010 19:05:36 Jonathan Jones wrote= :
> I can't say anything about voi, although I'd guess yes, but co= uldn't you
> just tack on a poi after friko and mention the ear shape thing?
>
> (Guessing as to the meaning of cyclotis: {lo sa'orselde'i voi = friko poi
> cukla kerlo}.)

Both are African, but only one is *called* africana. The one with rou= nded ears
is called cyclotis. So "lo sa'orselde'i voi friko" identi= fies one
species, "lo sa'orselde'i voi cukla se kerlo" and "l= o sa'orselde'i poi cukla
se kerlo" identify the other, and "lo sa'orselde'i poi fr= iko" is no more
specific than "lo sa'orselde'i".

Pierre
--
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

= Well, you said there were three species of elephant, and only two of them a= re African, yes? So the {poi friko} is somewhat more specific, just not bet= ween the two you're talking about. :D

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le= bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to= the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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