From lojban+bncCKv97aq_GRCGy-vlBBoEJX1Tjg@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 17 05:01:33 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7RvZ-0004Tq-0a; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 05:01:32 -0700 Received: by fxm16 with SMTP id 16sf242969fxm.16 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 05:01:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=P+K9HFlzbSoDO7z2JVKrBiGfI8Nat4genv5nW56Uvb4=; b=VnLOs8WpgppWKQdoQMgMQYGCaeiiF+dTgv048PEZ8MQDCKjcQ+Eh8yo+4v3IrIbZO7 VuLCCkML6/ng8Aqc8CGcWz7kpkLb931tA04x4c0nKfnNGFTA0EhzVo5ZiXNQ4RbQLcYh jY/Oe+wNkXm16ilEG0vQSGLuP4gnappdc70k4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=4gkgljOGLRxEtYSAY2g2OKQg7ygjnIpYwDqyHfs7Vwd9TyGgUBWomBoS7hnmrKn+Xv jY1u0id1/z+l/mGQpUUV4rpuGretCcu0gNXqfpkYp1CbzMWljEP+4CiJWhYQWtfkizp/ toOBPgcMtcCcPr04NeNj40MRSY2mqNT8PHtZE= Received: by 10.223.96.129 with SMTP id h1mr29417fan.49.1287316870860; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 05:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.27.83 with SMTP id h19ls175373fac.0.p; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 05:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.118.132 with SMTP id v4mr4634faq.22.1287316869464; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 05:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.118.132 with SMTP id v4mr4631faq.22.1287316868647; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 05:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y11si2192992faj.10.2010.10.17.05.01.07; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 05:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.44; Received: by bwz14 with SMTP id 14so2381745bwz.3 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 05:01:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.180.75 with SMTP id bt11mr3175082bkb.115.1287316418752; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 04:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.56.131 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 04:53:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201010171201.02214.jezuch@interia.pl> References: <411619.6727.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201010171201.02214.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:53:38 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Challenging pronunciation From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lamelnyk@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d99e6cda6fb20492ceb582 --0016e6d99e6cda6fb20492ceb582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/10/17 Krzysztof Sobolewski > > I'm sorry but I still don't hear it. > As i understand, that is intentional, you should not hear the =AB'=BB sound= :). I've got it that way: 1. make the voiced =ABx=BB. 2. relax the muscles whil= e saying it. 3. shorten it a bit. --=20 mu'o mi'e lex --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0016e6d99e6cda6fb20492ceb582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/10/17 Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl>= ;

I'm sorry but I still don't hear it.
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As i understand, that is intentional, you should not hear the =AB= '=BB sound:). I've got it that way: 1. make the voiced =ABx=BB. 2. = relax the muscles while saying it. 3. shorten it a bit.

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