From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCV3OzlBBoEDtg47g@googlegroups.com Sun Oct 17 10:11:00 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P7Wl7-0005ow-Hj; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:11:00 -0700 Received: by qwk4 with SMTP id 4sf143148qwk.16 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:10:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IfNbw8kAccP+SSQJ1soTWHj0IF1SBO7KNvbguCId3F0=; b=4OADdAEMW+1dfcKHDsveG0ZP19hluuGimLMKrluHfAi67mjqkDrdaPO2W92Nv04RcG 6lPHCKMamRbHRcKgzU7aNR+64gHBKy5J4i8sozblKma5alVdRcXNnskC/3ieNdw7SOSU msH6nqe1eITq5rC+dj7Y8RMc5YW6tWKOg0LP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=61A/fu7lyGCY3IkEF4WPOyl2iE52+17IKqpysuBArxDZS6WBzkUClqGNb3XkfRQ2vs cGHZez3CaeFX8nI4RQiEE4RP2Tm7TMd9a4R705G93jLHcYZNc4MKieIf+aqtkRL4ScgT bmWWleDHn68kA8qXZmbmpDxgtxrWdmRGi7VgE= Received: by 10.229.43.229 with SMTP id x37mr197116qce.30.1287335445572; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.199.200 with SMTP id et8ls831742qab.2.p; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.217.197 with SMTP id hn5mr412626qab.18.1287335445087; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.217.197 with SMTP id hn5mr412625qab.18.1287335445058; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y15si3979492qce.3.2010.10.17.10.10.44; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.180; Received: by mail-qy0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 1so101360qyk.18 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:10:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.237.199 with SMTP id kp7mr2987757qcb.8.1287335443816; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.89.67 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <411619.6727.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <201010171201.02214.jezuch@interia.pl> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 13:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Challenging pronunciation From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable /h/ is the sound you make when blowing on your hands to warm them up on a cold winter's day. Does that help? --gejyspa On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 12:32 PM, maikxlx wrote: > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Oleksii Melnyk wro= te: >> >> I vote for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velar_approximant >> >> >> mu'o mi'e lex > > > According to the CLL, Lojban vowels are undefined for roundness.=C2=A0=C2= =A0Therefore, > the velar approximant=C2=A0[=C9=B0], which is both an unrounded version o= f [w] and an > approximant version of the unrounded close back vowel [=C9=AF],=C2=A0may = be > theoretically=C2=A0regarded as a legitimate variant of /u/. > > mu'o mi'e .maik. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.